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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

We've already seen that story. And Biden did make amends but didn't remove all of the shitty things Trump did. And ultimately the US went back to Trump.

Maybe there might be a reasonable person as President in 2029. But even if that's the case, we need to assume there will be another President like Trump (or worse) in 2033.

We have to consider the possibility that post-civil rights US was the outlier, not the norm. The US may be just reverting back to it's true self, a violent nation dominated by racism.

[-] bashibazouk@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

True of all democracies. Canada has it's share of fruitcakes and could suffer a similar insanity and elect one...

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah, which is why people were pretty forgiving of Americans after Trump's first term. People get scammed by a con man, just a bump in the road of democracy.

Then the idiots elected him again.

You can be fooled once, but then you'd expect people to learn. If you do it twice... well then we need to assume that Americans weren't actually fooled by Trump. Trump represents who Americans really are. We should also assume Americans will elect someone like Trump (or worse) in the future. Americans are generally narcissistic assholes that can never admit they're wrong. They generally believe in American superiority. So they vote in someone that represents that.

I assumed that after Jan 6, there was no possibility Trump could ever be elected again. That would require people who voted for Biden saw Trump try to throw out their votes, and then decide they would vote for Trump in the next election. There's no way that could happen, right? But it did. So we all had to reconsider how we think of Americans after that.

Trump is the symptom of a much bigger problem. The US has a massive cultural problem. That's not something that changes in one election cycle.

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

What electing Trump the second time exposed is that he is the real face of Americans, not some aberration. They care about 'me, myself and I' only. They only start to care about laws and policies if it negatively affects them personally. Even then, they will not do anything more than complain if anything more requires an ounce of work that might interfer with their online activities, gaming, watching sports, etc.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

It's definitely a possibility that can't be discounted. The Civil Rights movement changed a lot of things and set the US on a path of cultural progress. A slow path, but it was going that way. Trump entered politics by saying by saying Obama wasn't eligible to be President. There was some obvious bullshit about a birth certificate, but there's the underlying meaning to it about a black man being ineligible to be President. A lot of people picked up on it and it's like they became free to be themselves. Their racist hateful selves.

Trumpism is a rejection of all progress made in the Civil Rights movement and afterwards. So they're going back to the way they were before.

To me, it's the apathy towards this that's most concerning. In every country there's racist assholes, but in the US it seems they generally just accept that's what their country is now, or believe that somehow the problem will just fix itself. They only seem to protest when social media tells them to protest, and social media is owned by Trump's allies. The power these companies now know they have doesn't bode well for this going away when Trump is gone. They'll want to maintain their power by just bringing in some other racist asshole that appeals to the base instincts of Americans. Too many interests are lined up now for this to go away easily.

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