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[–] distal@lemmy.ml 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Joining a union or creating one is one of the most subversive things one can do in this day and age. Propaganda for unions is very effective at leveraging the class schism in favour of workers/socialism.

Just don't a union that advocates creating large weaponry or represents law enforcement/servants of the state.

Proper unionising makes capitalists piss their pants. I have read a ton about politics (to my detriment – rip mental health) and it seems to really give you the most bang for your buck.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Unions are good, but you also need a political party that can go beyond trade unionism into an all-sided class struggle.

[–] distal@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I would tend to agree on the class party aspect, but as with anything there is an outward motion. The most effective struggle doesn't start at the higher levels of abstraction. Egoism comes first, not in the Stirnerian sense, where people make sure they are not deported by ice, where military service is eschewed, where when arrested the fifth amendment is kept in mind. The next stage would be tenant unions, trade unions, more organised forms of struggle. Then education, reading circles, discussions, talks and so on. I see the party as the capstone of all of these working class interests. Ultimately it becomes the expression of our species' interest towards the end of class struggle.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Ultimately, without a party, unions retain their present level of struggle. This means they are highly localized around their own interests, and not the interests of the working class as a whole. This is why a party is necessary to begin with, so that unions can be more militant, connected, and disciplined from the beginning. No time is too early for a party.

[–] distal@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

Where I am from there are like 8 different leftists parties laying claim to the same chunk of people. There will be one big and relevant party in the end, but getting there has the danger of a bajillion parties competing and creating noise rather than directed struggle. XKCD standards meme

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, that's why having a clear and correct party line is important.

[–] distal@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago
[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That's how it's always been, look at pre-revolutionary russia same there.

[–] distal@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I get what you are saying, the Russian revolution was a success despite sharing a feature that was a great hindrance. I think though that saying "X has always been like this" has a somewhat ahistorical quality to it. There is simply no good knowledge of the future.