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[-] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world -1 points 18 hours ago

Every officer takes an AR

Ah you think rifles are assault rifles. That explains a lot.

I work in the same building with them. Every officer takes an AR and body armor to the squad car when heading out to man their speed trap and bring it back at the end of the shift to store in their air-conditioned locker (not just the locker room - the actual interior of each locker itself has its own thermostat and air supply).

Sounds like 90% of your complaints have nothing to do with militarization, however valid they are.

All that being said, there is a need for specialized units. But the big change the US has seen over the past 25 years or so has been giving SWAT-style weaponry and resources to everyone. The traffic cops pullings people over for speeding in a school zone don’t all need riot gear and an AR in the trunk.

Even citing your own unverifiable anecdote you failed to explain how your traffic cops have riot gear, so I don't know why you're re-asserting it as fact.

Detectives performing investigations don’t need access to tear gas and flashbangs. But for major cities with thousands of occifers, having a few dozen specialists makes sense.

I'm sure they figure they want to be self-reliant and not have to depend on another agency. Is your county agency objectively the same quality or better? If so, as long as the plurality of voting residents of your city don't mind the much higher response times in emergencies, your point here makes sense. Otherwise, it does not.

Small towns used to just call the state or nearby major city for assistance if they needed heavier equipment or tactical units. Now they all have the heavy equipment

Again, mostly because American voters have insisted the equipment and training is distributed down the pyramid in the wake of things like Columbine. There's pros and cons, as described above.

The police had just gotten a new-to-them MRAP, and instead of talking to the kid or just using the key the parents had given them, they drove a tank through the front of the house

Are you conflating MRAPs with tanks?

I understand this and the Rifle vs. Assault Rifle issue can seem pedantic, but if you actually want to address concerns in an objective, solutions-focused manner, you should want to be accurate.

Obviously if you're just venting it doesn't matter, but I like to solve problems rather than (listen to a) vent about them, so you can just save yourself the effort.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

I know what an assault rifle is. I used to work in the firearm industry and own over 50 personal guns. The police have select-fire rifles built on the Armalite platform. They're assault rifles. The guns used by our department don't have an M designation because they're not US military spec or military issue. It's like the difference between an M9 and a 92FS.

They have riot shields, tear gas, etc in the cruisers. They carry the heavy body armor and the weapons back and forth because they are sized/kitted out to the officer's size and preferences and they share cruisers between shifts.

[-] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world -1 points 18 hours ago

I know what an assault rifle is. I used to work in the firearm industry and own over 50 personal guns. The police have select-fire rifles built on the Armalite platform. They’re assault rifles. The guns used by our department don’t have an M designation because they’re not US military spec or military issue. It’s like the difference between an M9 and a 92FS.

I sincerely doubt 25/25 of the LEOs at your city's PD have select-fire rifles, or even 10/10 of the patrol cars or whatever it works out to be with the following:

They have riot shields, tear gas, etc in the cruisers. They carry the heavy body armor and the weapons back and forth because they are sized/kitted out to the officer’s size and preferences and they share cruisers between shifts.

Are you asserting they're donning these at every call? Otherwise what difference does it make if they have them available in seconds versus 20-minute drive to get the gear and a 20-minute drive back to the scene of a riot? Gas expenditure going towards oil barons or giving nasty people 40 minutes to do their thing before the cops get there rather than 1?

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Patrol officers shouldn't all be SWAT. That's a specialist designation that should be reserved for extreme cases.

When everyone is outfitted and trained as a militarized unit, they treat more situations like a military exercise. When someone has a warrant because they forgot to pay a speeding ticket, they shouldn't be breeching doors. When someone threatens to kill themselves, they shouldn't respond with armored vehicles and sniper rifles.

That's what the militarization of beat cops has done. They're trained and equipped in a manner that causes them to take extreme measures that do not serve the needs of the public. Essentially, every police call is now an activation of SWAT, which is overkill 99.99% of the time.

We've actually needed a militarized response zero times in the history of our department, but they devote massive amounts of resources to the ability. Those resources would be better spent on fire prevention, infrastructure maintenance, and municipal projects while relying on our already-existing mutual aid interlocal agreements for heavy police response in the event it's ever needed.

As for timing, right now if there were an emergency, our police would travel to go to a scene, gear up behind the cars, and make plans for a response, then engage. A SWAT team from a nearby agency would gear up and make plans while en route in the back of the van and be ready to engage just as quickly while being better trained for the job.

[-] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world -2 points 16 hours ago

Oh okay, we're adding the "rifles are assault rifles" issue to the pile of topics you've abandoned too?

Patrol officers shouldn’t all be SWAT. That’s a specialist designation that should be reserved for extreme cases.

It seems like you're conflating SWAT with riot police.

When someone has a warrant because they forgot to pay a speeding ticket, they shouldn’t be breeching doors

I'd be shocked if you could prove that's happened, let alone it happens often enough that you're asserting it's normal - for your local agency or US law enforcement more broadly.

When someone threatens to kill themselves, they shouldn’t respond with armored vehicles and sniper rifles.

Likewise for this claim.

I'll skip over the soapboxing because it's predicated on your very unlikely assertion that your local agency is set up the way you claim, let alone that the vast majority of agencies in the US are set up that way.

As for timing, right now if there were an emergency, our police would travel to go to a scene, gear up behind the cars, and make plans for a response, then engage. A SWAT team from a nearby agency would gear up and make plans while en route in the back of the van and be ready to engage just as quickly while being better trained for the job.

My county agency has a SWAT team, but they're distributed throughout the county so their response time is around an hour. I think you'll find that's more often to be the case than this Hollywood scenario you're suggesting is both universal and guaranteed.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

I'm not making wild supposition about my police department. I'd show the numbers if I weren't one of the 11 people that work for the city that isn't a cop. I work in the same building and park next to their cruisers every day. I attend the meetings where they get their infinite budgets for flahbangs, tear gas, and new cars while I have to figure out how to squeeze enough money from the budget to replace my permit tech's keyboard.

[-] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world -2 points 13 hours ago

Then maybe you shouldn't rely on your extremely rare and unverifiable situation to make assertions about the entire US.

On an unrelated note, I am paid $5,000,000 per second in a job that totally exists and is extremely common but I can't prove because it would dox me.

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