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How many proper open-source LLMs are there?
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I don't think this is an easy debate to have. Even those kinds of models have effects on society, on people, on the environment. A lot of resources are needed for research and training. Same for inference even if you own the computer. And we'd need to agree on what's ethical. Usually that means treat the entire world like a self-service outlet and just take everything unless someone calls you and explicitly said no. At that point it'll become a nasty technical problem because there's no easy way to get rid of data after the fact.
Models could in theory be ethically sourced, but used for evil. Which is gonna be a problem to society. And then all of the debate is hypothetical because that's not even what's in use out there...
My post was more concerned with the facts. What kinds of models we do have. Not what we should do or an universally accepted definition of ethical.
An inspectable dataset would allow users audit according to their own project's values and obligations. That's the only standard that matters. I don't yet see the need to bring a discussion of universal ethics into this.
Datasets containing unlicensed, stolen, and even privileged information have been used for major commercial models. This is a concrete problem for some people, and open source datasets address directly address it.
You tangentially bring up a bunch of other stuff but don't appear willing to defend a position on any of it. I don't really understand your point. You can speculate about what Jesus's objection might be, but if you're not willing to bring forward your own objections, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish at this point.
IMHO, the problem with AI isn't AI, it's that we are permitting states and obscenely wealthy individuals to engage in an extremely wasteful winner-takes-all arms race. IMHO, there is nothing wrong with private individuals exploring LLMs and other new AI technologies, and self-hosted open source models are the only way we get to participate and potentially protect ourselves.