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Charlie Kirk murder suspect pleads not guilty to murder charge
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I had a conservative friend tell me there's an entire conspiracy around this. And this guy was basically mentally unstable and convinced to bring the gun to this location.
In reality, Israel installed those pager explosives in his microphone that sent something into his neck. The main argument is that the gun used would have done significantly more damage.
Sometimes bullets do really weird things, so I'm not saying it isn't what happened, but it was a 30-06 rifle round which really should have done signficantly more damage from that range, so it is strange at the least.
If the bullet didn't hit any bone that will greatly limit the visible damage
Please state your credentials on the matter. I am a hobbyist that has never shot a human but a 30-06 is a big fucking round going really fucking fast and necks are really fucking soft. The entry may be small but that exit is going to be significant. In my opinion.
My understanding is that the exit will often be big because of the bullet hitting bone and shit, making it flatter and thus destroy a lot more on the way out. The neck is soft and there isn't much of it. If the bullet didn't hit his spine, the bullet would be intact, and the exit hole would be pretty tiny.
Yep, the neck being soft is an argument against gory splatter action. Ballistic gel is soft too.
Also I suspect the Ammo used assuming it's what they claim it to be was possibly old and the rifle couldve been worn. Those two could in theory fuck up the velocity of the round resulting in the damage we saw. Still weird but well within start ammo fuckery.
Yea afaik for a bullet that size, size and inertia of the bullet can cause damage much wider than the bullet size itself.
It doesn't need to hit bone or anything for that... A youtube video can show that on one of those soft blobs.
I've put everything from 410 to 12ga and .177 to .50 caliber down range, typically shooting 5.56, 30-30, 7.62, .45 and 9mm, typically at silhouettes, wood logs, target clays, but occasionally pumpkins, watermelons, gallon jugs with ballistic gel. I've also hunted, typically with my 30-30 lever action.
You can't compare the impact on a ballistic gel torso with a head, because it has no muscle and it weighs significantly less. You can't compare the impact on any object of 5 or 10 or 15 or 20 or 100 lb let alone a neck shot on someone who weighs approximately 200 pounds.
That bullet went thru 'clean' in that it didn't hit any significant bone structure. It still tore apart his arteries which is why the blood rushed out so quickly, then the footage cut.
A shot like that on dear with a 30-30 round or a.45 in a similar spot wouldn't blow their head off. It would just drop the deer dead in its tracks. If you propped it up on a chair when it got shot, it would look pretty damn close
Tldr; a bullets impact on a similarly composed 50lb target will be much more exaggerated than the impact on a real 200lb target
We also don't have any pictures of the exit wound. There couldve be a huge chunk missing from the back of his neck that the camera couldn't capture at that angle
Yea, no. 7.62×63mm will take out a moose and not one hunter will tell you that "yea, sometimes they do weird things, man". It will take you out easily. They even said that "he had strong bones", nah... nah he didn't.
I know nothing about guns or bullets, but is it possible the type of gun, or the specific bullet mattered?
No, not really. The type of gun doesn't make a difference aside from the length of the barrel, but that's pretty negligible for anything remotely normal (i.e. not a ~4-10inch barrel in this case).
Same thing with the cartridge/bullet, total energy varies bullet to bullet, but again, in a negligible way.
The real explanation is that the damage people expect from this cartridge is caused by hydrostatic shock: the shockwave caused by the bullet entering and slowing down significantly (transferring energy). Hitting somewhere soft and without much muscle mass, the side of the neck, let the bullet pass through without transferring a ton of energy.
Didn't they rush to change the concrete pathing like the day after?
Fun fact, the company that paved is also israeli and quickly dissolved after doing that job. Company closed soon after the job was done. It's literally nothing suspicious, Charlies neck can just do that, companies also do that sometimes too... it's just average actions. Nothing to see here.
Where did you learn this? I’d be interested to know more about it
The type of bullet definitely, 100% matters. Some bullets have more mass than other bullets, and the material of the bullet can be harder or softer. All of that will affect the type of damage. The amount of powder used to fire the bullet also affects its kinetic energy when hitting the target.
Do we have loads of data on bullets being shot at this exact location at this exact range against a real human? Nobody can predict this, no matter how much they love their guns.
Yes.
The 30.06 rifle has literally killed tens of thousands of people at every range imaginable. It is easily among the most well studied weapons on earth. This is easily among the most common weapons in the United States and this cartridge was the standard issue rifle cartridge for both world wars.
Who's the guy with experience/expertise on this subject saying it should have done more damage?
Imagine getting shot with that caliber and not having your neck turn to jello while literal steel can't fucking take the hit. Also imagine assembling the gun only with a screwdriver, only to have to have it disassembled again before going on a run (all while leaving the screwdriver behind) in the span of like what? 10 seconds? And then for some reason in a forest, before tossing out the evidence, he assembles it back again (with no screwdriver this time). And what a coincidence it is that he left it in a forest on Black Rocks land parcel.
Everyone knows it’s faster to draw your backup screwdriver than to reload the primary screwdriver.
I certainly am curious how this trial is going to go. My gut tells me that, just like Mangione, the prosecutors have much more data than they're giving us. Of course, Mangione pled guilty, this guy is going to have a trial.
Personally I think they were hoping for a guilty plea because whatever evidence they do have is fucked one way or another. Just kind of a guy dealing y'know? I suspect that Lash Patel probably fucked up some level of in estivation with their immediate shoving into what shouldve been a case for the local PD, Sheriff, and Utah state police. Possibly even damaging or fabricating the crime scene.
I was wondering that too. Even if he is guilty, the process was completely fucked.
Id legit be surprised if it wasn't somehow fucked. Also holy shit autocorrect fucked by comment so much. Why is it like this?
Not sure if you're on IOS, but I feel like their keyboard has gone to shit in the past year for some reason.
Nah android. Also I'm using browser cause fuck it why not.
But yeah it feels annoyingly shit more recently, usually when I misspelled a word badly enough or made a weird compound word it just kinda left it. But now it's really fucking insistent on trying to correct everything.
Anyways theres a pretty solid chance that both our phones use the same base autocorrect systems so it probably crosses over.
It tried to turn crosses into corpses.
Everyone knows it’s faster to draw your backup screwdriver than to reload the primary screwdriver.
I don't believe that conspiracy, but I do believe this kid was set up. This is what gangstalking is for. Manipulating loners or people that don't meet social standards.
Of course there would be a government website talking shit about it.
For those that want a straight forward description beyond the conspiracy/schitzo bullshit. This stuff isn't new at all... These concepts etc. When some people realize this is truth they will be wishing there was a God. Or more truthfully they will tuck their dicks and live for them like Nazi sympathizers.; https://www.reddit.com/r/TargetedSolutions/s/XT2625ztu9
it's funny that you don't believe that (ridiculous) conspiracy theory but believe in a legitimately schizophrenic conspiracy theory (gangstalking)
Gangstalking is documented as a psychological torture technique by the UN Office of the Commissioner on Human Rights.
They're what medical experts refer to as an 'Idiot'
People upvoting you need to know that this is not a thing.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39365495/
Can't wait for some doc to get declassified and we learn the CIA has been doing it for decades.
"It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you", I suppose. lol
You're trusting a source published by the US government in 2025?
It absolutely is a thing.
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/Torture/Call/Individuals/Harrassmenttechniques.pdf
Pay especial attention to point 14.
For more information, see here here and here:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/thematic-reports/ahrc4349-report-psychological-torture-and-ill-treatment
https://purdueglobal.dspacedirect.org/items/07d416e0-5a77-46c6-818b-d33392493f4b
https://bounceblack.org/resources/organised-harassment/
I don’t consider most conservative hunters and shooters to actually be very skilled or knowledgeable. This is based very heavily on a lot of experience and interactions. A human neck bone will definitely stop a 30-06. It might be a flesh sack of spine gravel, but having no explosion of gore is not a surprise.
It was the most effective way to get him to shut up though. Really cute that it happened after he got dog walked so publicly by the Cambridge student.
It’s the most effective way to get all MAGA trash to shut up. Take notes. Only one thing ever stopped Nazis.
Yeah Candace Owens is big on this stuff. It's all about converting the antisemitism-curious leftists into antisemitic fascists.
It’s working on the Young Turks.
Well, Charlie Kirk did say things against Israel in his final days. It seems like he was questioning things, if you look deeper.