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Your lack of reading comprehension does not make my complaints “nonsensical.”
I very clearly stated the facts and arguments I was making.
I did not commit a straw man. I cannot commit a straw man against you because I am the one making the initial argument. A straw man would require me to misrepresent your argument and substitute it with a weaker argument that is easier to attack. That is not what I did. I made an accusation and then defended the position I was actually arguing.
You, on the other hand, are committing a straw man by substituting my actual argument with the assertion that my argument is simply “nonsense.” That is not an argument against what I said. It is a dismissal that avoids engaging with the actual points I made.
Stop throwing around logical fallacies you clearly do not understand. If you are going to accuse someone of committing a fallacy, you should at least understand what the fallacy means, how to identify it, and how to demonstrate that it actually applies.
And this picture is worth about three. It’s a close-up of the aft of the ship where you can see some rust. Above that is out-of-context text saying that military spending went up.
Wango bango: Rusty ship = more military spending = Trump is shit.
Which, he is. Don’t get me wrong. But this meme is wrong. Those two things are not connected in the context of the rust on the USS Abraham Lincoln. The presence of superficial rust on an active-duty ship does not demonstrate that increased military spending is being wasted, nor does it establish anything about the ship’s combat readiness or maintenance.
If you want to criticize Trump’s military spending, then criticize the actual spending. Don’t take a cosmetic maintenance issue, strip it of its context, and imply that it proves something it doesn’t.
An eye for an eye didn't work for Hammurabi, and it's not going to work here. We have to be better than the scum we stand against.
I am directly addressing your "criticism." I have argued against your point, point by point, and I have not replaced your argument with something easier to attack. NO STRAW MAN.
"but using that photograph as evidence that Trump somehow left the U.S. military looking like this is misleading."
It is not misleading. It is factual. The current administration's decision to extend the deployment directly lead to the state of the ship.
"Those are substantive criticisms that deserve discussion."
This meme is what lead to you saying this. Mission accomplished!?
"Instead, we get this stupid little meme that takes a completely legitimate photograph, strips away all of its context, and presents it as though it is evidence of something it does not actually demonstrate."
This is straight nonsensical. It is also disingenuous, dismissive, and deceptive. The photo is the context that proves Trump is not rebuilding the military. He is using and abusing it as demonstrated by this picture. Your inability to see this is staggering to say the least.
"That's the problem I keep seeing on Lemmy: a legitimate political point gets wrapped in misinformation because the misinformation makes the meme more effective."
There was no misinformation, this is just an excuse for you to talk shit and it really makes you look like a fucking idiot.
"People then repeat it because it supports a conclusion they already agree with."
You certainly repeat yourself a lot in this post.
"I don't think that's acceptable simply because the target is Trump."
Nonsense.
"We shouldn't respond to that by adopting the same tactics."
Yes, we should because it works on the low information "feels people" Trump is manipulating. Obviously the fact that Trump is a rapist and charlatan isn't convincing them. Making fun of Trump does work because it hurts his image and the feels of his followers. If they think Trump is uncool he is done.
"You can criticize Trump's claims about "rebuilding the military."
This meme did that effectively.
"You can criticize defense spending, procurement failures, maintenance problems, military readiness, the defense industrial complex, or the extraordinary deployment demands being placed on the Navy. There are plenty of legitimate arguments to make."
Once again, a picture is worth a thousand words.
"We don't need to manufacture evidence to make those arguments."
You have failed to prove this and restating it over and over again is the same stupid tactic Trump uses. At this point you are not using facts and are using feelings. Pretty sus.
"If our standard becomes "misinformation is acceptable when it hurts the people we dislike," then we've abandoned the very standard we're supposedly defending."
Repeat ad nauseum. Also what you are saying has been dubunked time and time again. Trump voters are not swayed by facts.
https://youtu.be/S8DQ2kseTWw?is=qxuWhKmhA-qwsVcq
"Worse, we've made ourselves vulnerable to exactly the same rhetorical tactics when they're used against us."
This straight laughable. First, what you said was not even true to begin with. Your opinion isn't supported by anything other than your own hangups and failure to understand how politics are currently working.
"Being better than Trump and his political movement means more than disagreeing with them. It means refusing to become comfortable with the methods we condemn when they're politically convenient."
Let me fix this for you. There is no being better and even if there was it wouldn't win in the current climate. Winning is what matters and being factual is not winning. The only way to win is to turn these same tactics against Trump. Ridicule is what gets under this regime's skin and it is what changes public opinion.
So you are wrong on multiple levels hence my complete disappointment and realization that you are fucking rambling at this point using the exact same tactics (repeating untruths over and over again) this administration uses.
If you think the only way to beat Trump is to convince people like you have convinced me...well let's just say you are missing the mark. A lot.