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GrapheneOS is currently defending its use of AI coding tools on Mastodon against complaints by various accounts claiming to be users.

We do not understand where you're coming from or why you're so incredibly angry with us. It's not justified and does not make sense.

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[-] rozodru@piefed.world 14 points 5 days ago

AI is a tool, like a hammer, and should be used as such. And like a tool should require training. The problem is people aren't using it as a tool and rather look at the hammer and say "go build me a house". That's where the issue is. Does a hammer know how to build a house on its own? no. does AI excel at end to end builds? no. but people are using it for said end to end builds.

Devs, vibe coders, god knows who else still to this day fail to understand that AI doesn't understand how to build things correctly. All the agents care about is getting to a solution as quickly as possible to retain a userbase. that's it. will what ever it builds scale? no. will it be full of exploits? very likely. will it be able to refactor whatever it wrote? no because it will believe YOU wrote it. so upgrades/improvements to whatever are virtually impossible.

THEN you combine all that with the fact that EVERY AI's training data, currently, is incredibly out of date. Tech moves too fast for it. So you have people building shit with libraries and what have you that are already out of date and they don't know that.

[-] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 5 days ago

Nuclear weapons are a tool, like any other

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

That's a great example actually, you just have to differentiate between a nuclear weapon and a nuclear power plant. You can split atoms to build a bomb or heat water, the concept of splitting an atom itself isn't evil.

[-] scytale@piefed.zip 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I think with OP’s analogy, a nuclear weapon is no longer a tool, because the actual tool (nuclear technology) was crafted into something (weapon) that does a specific thing (destroy). But I guess OP should’ve used LLM and machine learning instead of AI.

[-] x1gma@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Nuclear fission has been used in nuclear reactors for good, and was exceedingly efficient at that time, and has been a significant factor in the recent human history. Just as it's been with the "evil" use in nuclear weapons.

I'm not aware of any breakthrough that has not been used for both good and evil.

[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

Good justification to why GOS is right to use AI to detect vulnerabilities. The only true way to protect yourself from an enemy that has nuke bombs is to have some yourself.

Ukraine gave up its stockpile in exchange of promises from both Russia and NATO that no harm would come to them, and would there be harm from one side, the other side would come and help them. They were betrayed by both sides.

AI is very efficient at finding vulnerabilities. Among a see of false positive, they find real ones. It's much more efficient and faster than human auditing code. So either it's GOS using it, finding them and patching them, or it's… someone else.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 days ago

A tool built through nefarious means and consuming resources it should never had chanelled into it.

Then, taking from your words, if the information these machines are working is by default outdated, why insist in feeding it with more and more and expect different outcomes?

Makes no sense to begin with.

[-] CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 4 days ago

So by your logic, a child produced through “nefarious means” is also inherently evil.

[-] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Only the mentally ill regard humans as tools, though, so that analogy is only apt for them.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 days ago
[-] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago

It's a tool like a gun, specifically purpose built to usher in a technofeudalist surveillance state. Not useful for anything else as is.

[-] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 days ago

Guns are incredibly useful, just like LLMs and diffusion.

[-] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

For literally one thing only. That was the point of my comment. Unfortunately AI can't give you reading comprehension.

[-] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works -2 points 3 days ago

guns can be used for murder/self defense and hunting, but I suppose thst second one is less common outside Alaska

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