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[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

When apparently you can just rename everything America and after yourself at whim as President, the never-ending excuses for getting nothing done during Democratic presidential administrations will not cut it for me this time.

[-] Geobloke@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Anything a president can do unilaterally can be undone by the next president. There's a reason why the Afordable Care Act hasn't been undone at the stroke a sharpie

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Lets not do anything good because Trump might undo it.

[-] Geobloke@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Not the argument I was making, more the downs in strategy. The republicans going full send without consideration of the consequences and the Democrat taking taking time and being thorough

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Taking time and being thorough" looks a lot like "wasting time and doing nothing" when they're doing anything other than selling weapons for genocide.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

The consequences of doing the thing your voters want and disregarding your enemies telling you you're not being civil is that you get reelected.

The consequences of listening to the people who are opposed to your voters is that your voters see that you are useless and check out of politics.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

That reason is that it benefits the insurance industry and only helps patients as a lamentable side effect.

[-] zoloftt@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

What a funny thing to hang your hat on. I can't tell if this is supposed to be sarcastic or not.

Renaming stuff is probably the easiest thing in the world. It costs money down the road, but it's significantly less intrusive and costly than doing almost anything else this admin has already done.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Dude it ain't just the renaming.

I know everyone's got the attention span of a fucking gnat, but this dude has done whatever the fuck he wants with impunity while most Democratic administrations look like they're asking for permission to pee.

[-] zoloftt@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I know! That's why I thought renaming things was such a silly thing to break the camels back for someone.

The way your original comment reads, it reads like the recent renaming is what has really made you upset.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub 0 points 1 week ago

That's because the Republican judges invent reasons to block what Democrats do and pretend there's no standing to stop other Republicans. You guys need to get a large enough majority to enforce 14A3 and disqualify this lot for fucking treason and tear apart their ability to get in the way

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Democrats invent excuses to break their own campaign promises.

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

They don't say "it's too expensive", they say "republicans won't let us do it".

But they let republicans do anything they want, including stupid petty distractions like renaming places. They are not on your side. Also they committed the majority of the genocide in Gaza. Democrats are not your friends, very few of them are decent humans.

[-] zoloftt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I never said they are on our side, I just found your particular point about it silly.

Not even going to comment on the rest of your reply. You clearly live in a black and white world.

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

You clearly live in a world where suffering of others is negotiable as long as it benefits you, and you call that a colorful world.

What a weird way to attempt to insult me, yes genocide and imperialism are bad and their supporters are bad, there's no room for gray in there.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You're refusing to look at how the killing accelerated under Trump and you fucking dare to accuse us of not caring?

Everybody who looked and thought for 2 seconds predicted it would be worse under Trump, tried to stop Trump, and you didn't care because you refused to believe it could be worse under Trump, and then you claim the moral high ground for rejecting evidence

There is more genocide and imperialism because Trump got another term

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The killing factually decelerated under Trump.

That's not to defend him or his plans of turning Gaza into a beachfront resort, but factually, the killing is no where near as bad as it was under Biden.

You predicted it in 2 seconds, we lived through the live streamed genocide from day one, you're wrong, and it's disgusting how smug you are about it.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub -1 points 1 week ago

LOOK AT THE CHARTS

You're just blatantly lying here, the charts fucking jolt up under Trump, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED and insists on just believing your gut!

YOU'RE the smug fuck for refusing to look

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Are those charts in the room with us, asshole?

I bring receipts: https://data.techforpalestine.org/

Under Biden, until 19th of January 2025, 47,724 killed. This number does not include the bodies never recovered or accounted for because they were vaporized, are still under rubble, or the entire family line was wiped off and noone was left to report them gone. The Lancet estimated 75 200 violent deaths between 7 October 2023, and 5 January, 2025 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00522-4/fulltext). But we'll stick to the official number that Biden over and over called untrustworthy. 47,724

By the time Biden was out of office, over 90 fucking percent of housing in Gaza was damaged or destroyed, you ghoul.

As of 10 September 2026, the official number is 74,784. That's only 27,060 under Trump.

If you want the daily rate under both that's 101.3 killed ever day under Biden (again way under reported) and 44.95 per day under Trump.

LOOK AT THE CHARTS, asshole.

Edit: and I'm not the first one to point out your misrepresentation of the data, so you already knew the numbers you're using are cumulative, and you're still spreading your rewriting of history to defend Democrats and their genocide.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Your fucking receipts shows the slope increased in 2025

WHO WAS PRESIDENT IN 2025

That's Trump, killing increased under Trump

Then killing shifted to Lebanon and Iran and you call that a win

Hypocrite.

You're looking at nothing else than start and stop dates, completely ignoring actual events on the ground, why they happened, and what happened elsewhere. You're ignoring the fact that Netanyahu wanted Trump elected and was happy he was elected, and that Netanyahu managed to get Trump to kill innocent civilians in Iran.

After the initial bombings in dense areas, Biden got Netanyahu to slow down killing. Trump intentionally allowed it to accelerate. Trump said "finish them off". Trump want the region cleared off people. You see that extremely clearly in the slopes in your own page. It only slowed down in Palestine near 2026 because the war shifted to other countries in the region.

But maybe you think Iranian civilians don't matter.

https://imhojournal.org/articles/what-is-new-in-the-genocidal-war-on-palestine-under-trump/

Here's reporting that doesn't shy away from telling the truth about Trump rather than pretending the truce was real.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/how-trumps-ceasefires-are-failing-stop-middle-east-violence-2026-06-04/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-strike-gaza-death-toll-trump-hamas-ceasefire-b2717304.html

Will you listen to your own? Trump even ended up worse than many of their predictions. He started a joint war with Israel against Iran, against their assumptions.

https://al-shabaka.org/roundtables/trumps-return-implications-for-the-palestinian-struggle/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/us/politics/trump-gaza.html - shooting yourselves in the feet

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Your fucking receipts shows the slope increased in 2025

They don't, you lying piece of shit.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Stop lying about what we can see

Or maybe you need to learn to read charts

https://www.military.com/trump-administration-israel-planning-28-billion-sale-of-2000-pound-bombs

WHO THE FUCK MADE NETANYAHU MAD? NOT TRUMP

Netanyahu was outraged at Biden putting pressure on him and happy Trump won, extremely happy that Trump FUCKING JOINED HIM IN WAR AGAINST IRAN

Your own people would be disappointed in you

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

He's gonna start calling you crazy pretty soon because you don't masturbate while thinking about dead Palestinian children.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Who lets them? The Republican courts you mean?

The majority of buildings destroyed is not the majority of lives lost. More people were killed faster under Trump. Somebody is lying to you if they're telling you Democrats were easier on Netanyahu than Trump is. They are lying to you because they want you to hurt yourself.

Observe the acceleration under Trump

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1616501/monthly-gaza-fatalities-injuries/

https://infosec.pub/comment/23470753 - here's a whole list of how Trump was worse in every way exactly as the warnings said

The recent slowdown in Gaza is caused only by increased killing in Iran and Lebanon, which does not play in your favor

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Observe the acceleration under Trump https://www.statista.com/statistics/1616501/monthly-gaza-fatalities-injuries/

That's cumulative you moron. The slope clearly drops after Biden did the majority of the damage. You can't even comprehend the information you're using, or you'll do anything to twist reality to justify your support of genocide.

https://data.techforpalestine.org/

Under Biden, until 19th of January 2025, 47,724 killed. This number does not include the bodies never recovered or accounted for because they were vaporized, are still under rubble, or the entire family line was wiped off and noone was left to report them gone. The Lancet estimated 75 200 violent deaths between 7 October 2023, and 5 January, 2025 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00522-4/fulltext). But we'll stick to the official number that Biden over and over called untrustworthy. 47,724

By the time Biden was out of office, over 90 fucking percent of housing in Gaza was damaged or destroyed, you ghoul.

As of 10 September 2026, the official number is 74,784. That's only 27,060 under Trump.

If you want the daily rate under both that's 101.3 killed ever day under Biden (again way under reported) and 44.95 per day under Trump.

The recent slowdown in Gaza is caused only by increased killing in Iran and Lebanon, which does not play in your favor

Are you suggesting Biden, who bypassed Congress twice to illegally send them bombs to destroy practically all of Gaza, almost all hospitals and clinics, and almost all farmlands while gaslighting us, lying about seeing beheaded babies, callously licking ice cream while stating there are "none" chances of a ceasefire, who's administration had members of the press dragged out in cuffs for asking about it, who framed the terrorist pager attack in Lebanon as heroic, or Kamala who went on national television and said she can't think of a single thing she'd do different, would have stopped Israel from carrying on their stated objectives of greater Israel from day one?

Fucking clown.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub 0 points 1 week ago

So your argument is that after killing increased for s while under Trump, the shift to killing in Lebanon and Iran instead of Palestine means putting Trump in power was a success?

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

You disgusting ripe banana brained piece of shit.

At no point during the Trump presidency did the rate of killing go higher than the first 150 days of the genocide under Biden. And we're still not counting the excess unreported deaths that primarily occurred during the first 150 days, when Israel cut all power to the strip and rained bombs at night.

The data is right there, and you've been repeatedly informed how you're misunderstanding it, but now I think you're just counting on people just believing your lies.

We don't support Trump, you moron. You're defending democrats as a "lesser evil", and in this demonstrable case, they actually are the "bigger evil". They're only better domestically, and that's what bothers liberals (or straight up Zionists pretending to be progressive), that Trump affects your cushy life. Fuck you.

You can't just condemn the democrats for committing genocide, you have to gaslight everyone and pretend like you give a shit about Lebanon or Iran just to say "look, republicans are the only baddies."

In case it isn't clear to your two braincells, we don't support Trump, we didn't want him in power, and we didn't vote for him. But you not only voted for genocidal KH (presumably), but you're still defending them despite the data showing clearly what they did.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

https://www.military.com/trump-administration-israel-planning-28-billion-sale-of-2000-pound-bombs

This is what you voted for. More death

You literally can't read your own charts

WHO THE FUCK MADE NETANYAHU MAD? NOT TRUMP

Netanyahu was outraged at Biden putting pressure on him and happy Trump won, extremely happy that Trump FUCKING JOINED HIM IN WAR AGAINST IRAN

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

I'm done arguing with you, you're extremely stupid, or more actually a genocide apologist.

I've broken down the numbers for you, and you're insisting your understanding of the charts is the correct one. You're insisting numbers going down means they went up, you're insisting slope that literally goes down sharply actually goes up, you're a lying moron.

This is what you voted for.

Literally didn't. And I don't support Trump or defend him, criticizing Biden and not denying what he did isn't support for Trump. You pointing out what he's doing today isn't evidence Biden wouldn't have done the same...

Netanyahu was outraged at Biden

Shut up already... Nobody outside of the DNC cult still believes this "bibi was so angry" bullshit narrative! What do you define as pressure? Biden gave him everything he asked for, bypassed Congress twice to send more bombs, gave him all the diplomatic cover, let police attack American students protesting it, and once again the majority of deaths to this day have occurred in the short period of the genocide under Biden.

Stop denying Democrats's (and specifically Biden/Harris) involvement in the genocide, your kids might be proud of your memory one day.

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