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The part about lashing was a joke, obviously.
The thing is you say that, and I believe you. However, other people like the angry asshole who tried to drown a guy also say that, but they aren't joking.
When two strangers stand side by side saying the same thing, how do you know which is joking?
I was more looking at the spirit of what you were saying. Honestly because I have the same thoughts too, like "You wouldn't be acting like this if you realized the thin veneer of social conduct protecting you from me". I think that's why I wanted to say something, there seems to be a degree of complexity needed for how we handle crybullies or normal ones in society
The spirit of what I was saying is more "antysocial behavior should be punished because otherwise assholes just keep assholing". Sadly there's just to many selfish idiots to effectively enforce social norms like that and over-criminalization leads to issues of its own. All we can do is hope enough people will get educated and respect others for this world not to turn into ever bigger shithole than it already is.
Right but how does one differentiate between effective punishment and just targeting inconvenient people for perceived annoyance? I agree with you, but there's a very old trap in there too that I don't think any institutions or educated individuals have done well in navigating.
Actually I disagree, I don't think the problem is to differentiate that. For example there are very clear rules about not using phones in some places. It's very effectively enforced on planes but it's rarely enforced on trains and busses. It's because you have a crew that is tasked with enforcing it on a plane and there's a clear punishment for not obeying them (you leave the plane). We don't have a problem with people being removed from planes for "perceived annoyance". On trains and busses we don't have a crew that removes annoying people so it's up to other passengers to complain. People don't do this to avoid confrontations and escalating things so trains and busses are full of assholes talking on their phones or watching Instagram with speakers on full volume. The rule is there, it's just not enforced because it's not considered important enough for the state to enforce it and assholes take advantage of that. The exact same thing happens with motorbikes breaking noise limits. The laws are there, they are just not enforced because it's difficult and police has other things to do. There's also no risk of the punishment becoming to cruel. State managed to effectively punish people for driving offenses, for not picking up your dog's shit or for littering. Other anti social behaviors can also be enforced like that, we just don't care about them enough.
Well, I guess I envy your experience having never witnessed rules and laws being arbitrarily weaponized against people. It definitely does happen, you kind of just have to actually be examining it. Generally if you interrogate the keepers of such rules like policemen or customs staff, they will say the opposite of you. That they do enforce all rules impartially, or they would if they weren't restrained by zealous oversight.
What? I'm not saying that rules and laws are never weaponized. I'm saying that this is not the reason why some social norms are not enforced. "Not using phones on trains" rules already exist. There are stickers in most public transport that say this. All examples I gave already exists as laws. Clearly the worry is not that if you create laws prohibiting those things they will be weaponized. Because those laws already exist. Enforcement is the issue and it comes down to resources and priorities. From the perspective of an average citizen laws that are weaponized are still not effectively enforced.
Mm. No I get it. You just haven't seen how humans act when that environment is taken to situations on the farthest spectrum of conditions.
Or maybe I haven't seen places that do enforce the full letter of their rules act truly equitable to marginalized people without any bias. I'm kind of a jaded motherfucker and won't really accept the possibility unless I witness somebody in that kind of environment actually handle that responsibility ethically. We've been pretty unspecific about cultures and locations, could you recommend a place for me to examine so I could at least try to picture what this would even look like?
I gave you very specific example: phones on planes. Are you saying that those rules discriminate marginalized people? Have you seen a lot of white people on the phone on a plane while minorities are being dragged out by security? I have not seen anyone talking on the phone on a plane and I traveled all over Europe. So I guess go to Europe and examine how flight crews handle their responsibility.
Nah, I'm saying people enforce rules like no phones on planes selectively based on their own personal biases. The biases that I personally witnessed weren't against non-whites. It was different intersections but yeah it was situations where clearly the person would have been permitted if they were say, more conventionally attractive or had a more normative voice. I personally would speculate it would happen more to non-whites but in the locations I tend to fly from they already know systems of authority will treat them unequally so they police their own behavior more strictly than other groups or what is generally expected.
I probably should fly more around Europe. I've heard there's biases there but I haven't spent enough time to see them play out firsthand.