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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by vapeloki@lemmy.world to c/fuck_ai@lemmy.world

This post is primarily for the people here that are forced to work with AI. But it may be interesting for everyone.

We all here are aware how bad AI is for people and the environment. During some research I found out that this effect is most likely multiplied by pure greed (no even worse then you thought).

A little bit of context: I am currently responsible for a small R&D Team (me and some trainees) for a EU managed Services provider. Because of corpo pressure we need to evaluate AI usage.

I gave multiple models, nearly all run on 150W hardware a shot. And of course I was forced to test Claude also.

And what I found buffled me: the "frontier" top nodge best of the best model by Anthropic was the only one that did not even complete the task.

It constantly violated against clear rules. All of them about code simplicity and maintainability.

For example QWEN solved the task in about 30 minutes, one shot

And this would be the bill we would have paid for Claude without any usable result.

Having a deeper look at what happens if you let different models work on an existing codebase:

Claude will introduce complexity on every change. Wasting compute and energy.

As open source models clearly can do the job, why can those super huge big models not do the job?

And I think the answer is greed:

  • more tokens more money
  • lock the user into your model. Make sure you can not leave anthropic.

And that cost is really high. Not only those absurdly high token prices (factor of 100 higher then open models) it burns the employees out.

Is anyone here forced to work with AI and had made similar observations?

Luckily for me, I have some influence at my job and can minimize the AI impact in every sense. And maybe such experiments and research can convince other employers to not go down this road.

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[-] Artaca@lemdro.id 2 points 2 days ago

Forced to use Claude for work as the lead on some AI R&D. But also given effectively zero time to actually dig into it. They just want to be able to tell customers they're doing it. Claude has been... fine. Are there other models I should try? Local only isn't really viable cus we can't afford big hardware and everyone (who may eventually use it) uses laptops. Kimi seems interesting. I would love to self host one myself but the kind of projects I've been cooking on the side coding-wise probably require more than my hardware can handle.

[-] nomen_dubium@startrek.website 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

i'm giving openrouter a try now, has most of the models so good for comparing, but token based pricing, curious if that ends up becoming too pricy... although maybe not with a harness like pi! claude code will send 50k tokens in tools for a simple 'ping' o.O

self hosted 30B qwen is actually suprisingly capable as well! and glm-4.7 flash (q4_k_m) fits on my gpu and is great (but tends to get into infinite loops :( )

[-] vapeloki@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Kimi and self hostint, if you have the room and power....

But you should give smaller models a try, qwen is good. Gemma has it's place. Ever token on local hardware is a token not supporting those assholes.

this post was submitted on 14 Sep 2026
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