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That Democrats will never act on.
Probably because nothing will happen when they're in the minority.
When they had a majority they impeached him.
Twice.
Recent:
https://newrepublic.com/post/215481/every-democrat-who-voted-against-impeaching-donald-trump
Past:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/12/18/21029196/impeachment-vote-democrats-no-defected
Even when they had power, they couldn't hold the line with their centrist own and be unified in something as simple as impeaching a asshole.
You'll forgive me if I think the Democratic leadership is shit.
They impeached him.
Senate failed to convict him because the republicans had the majority there.
Not even remotely the point or argument I was making but guess well see how many shitty moderate Democrats will vote no for impeachment again.
It'll probably be Fetterman that switches parties this time.
What exactly was your point?
Sure, I'll bite.
I said Democrats won't act on it and then I provided two example of that. The first recently where 18 democrats joined Republicans to squash impeachment on Trump's abuse of power via ICE.
And then I point out that even when they did impeach back in his first term, it still wasn't united and you had centrists that voted against it.
Nowhere did I bring up the point that there wasn't a conviction nor did I critique the fact they couldn't get a conviction.
Now if they can't vote to impeach on Trump's abuse of power on ICE and couldn't unify over Trumps first abuse of power with calling for foreign power to interfere in our free and fair elections, well that's just kind sad and pathetic.
My point is that centrist suck, Democratic leadership under centrist suck, and the fact that you have Jared Golden who sucks and continues to bail Republicans out while Democratic leadership does fuck all shows again, Democratic leadership under centrists suck.
I'll still bet a case of beer that if the Democrats had the stones to impeach over Trump's threat of withholding hurricane relief, Fetterman would vote no and join the Republican party just like good ol' centrist Jeff Drew did.
Yeah you’re making it clear you hate the democrats but I think they’re way better then the republicans and they’re the only party with a chance to beat them.
It doesn’t matter if the democrats are all united or not.
They impeached Trump twice and the one with Trump's abuse of power via ICE doesn’t matter because they have a minority.
Even if they all voted along party lines it still wouldn’t have gone through.
I'm making it clear that I don't like centrist, neo liberal failures in both leadership and morality.
I happen to think of does matter of Democrat are united in something as important as impeachment and very much so with ICE. We Americans, myself included, marched by the millions against ICE, resisted, and American citizens were murdered by Trump's racist ICE for it and were protected from prosecution by Trump and when Democrats in power and Democratic leadership can't even do the small thing and stand up against it with a simple impeachment vote, well that's just sad and pathetic. Really shows a lack of character.
And again of you're not going to fight against ICE, well snowballs chance in hell they'll do it for this.
As for your argument that they're the only party, well, we've clearly seen that that's not exactly true now it's it? But hey, you keep supporting mediocrity, that's your right.
Clearly seen where exactly?
We Americans took away the Democrat’s majority and voted Trump in.
Never forget that fact because if you do you’ll make another stupid fucking protest vote and give Trump absolute power for another two years.
It matters in terms of communicating what is at stake. If the low information voters is told not even the democrats will impeach or not all democrats agree what he did was bad, then it must not be that bad.
The House voted 232-147 to table another resolution brought by Rep. Green regarding aggressive immigration enforcement.
Eighteen literally doesn’t matter and might politically help them in red/purple area to not vote for a impeachment that will ultimately lose.
That's a lot of words saying "it doesn't matter enough", much like trans rights it seems.
Democrats overwhelmingly support trans rights.
And yet when it comes time, yet again the same shit centrists are there fucking it all up and Democratic leadership failing to lead on the issue.
https://www.advocate.com/politics/medicaid-gender-affirming-care-bill
Would have passed without those four democrats and four out of the two hundred and five there means democrats still overwhelmingly support trans rights.
And yet, without any need for them to be horrible assholes, your shitty centrist still went out of their way to harm trans people.
Not exactly what I would call a great moment in morality there. Just because Republicans had the numbers to pass it by themselves doesn't mean shitty centrist Democrats get a pass for fucking over trans kids and their parents. That's not the defense you think it is.
Talking to you is a waste of time.
And yet Talarico did the same math you cited to say it doesn't matter enough
As we saw with Beto, you have to tread lightly in this state. Beto was doing just fine until he mentioned taking people’s guns, which is a cardinal Texas sin, and he paid the price for it. Trans people, as well as everyone else, have suffered under Abbott because he lost sight of what Texans want instead of what the national Democratic Party wanted. Regardless of your feelings about gun control, I think we can all agree that he could have prevented a lot of the damage that Abbott has gone on to do if he’d just picked his battles better.
I’d wager that the Talarico you’d see after the election is a little more vocal than the version he needs to be to have a shot at getting elected. Even if he isn’t, there is no doubt that he’d be a better representative for Texas than the lying, cheating, narcissistic, disingenuous, odorous, obnoxious, dimwitted, disgusting, perverted, hateful, pedophile supporting, pen stealing, brown nosing, false equivalency promoting, traitorous, treacherous, tedious, revolting, unholy, son of a gutter scum rat that is Ken Paxton.
And in case I forgot to mention it, fuck Ken Paxton in his beady little eye, but wear a condom because that turd is diseased.
Still you have to admit it's pretty crappy to hear someone who once went to bat for trans people, walk it back. I still think he's a good candidate, better than Paxton and better than other Texas Democrats like Cuellar.
But yeah, is Texas unfortunately.
Oh yeah, it’s crappy, but I’d rather he do that, win, and go on to support trans rights than say the whole truth now, lose, and be a footnote in history while Ken Paxton brings about a full blown holocaust for anyone who isn’t white, male, cisgender, and conservative.
Texas politics is really messy—I have been saturated in it my entire life. You’ve got to appeal to insane cowboys and city hippies at the same time to win as a democrat, and that’s no easy task. To steal a line from Primary Colors:
False dichotomy and also not what we’re talking about here.
A side conversation, I'm going to guess is it the support of trans women in sports specifically?
This is such a weird one for me and one that does get me to think a lot and wrestle with it since it's such a complex issue.