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Executives working on AI at Microsoft and OpenAI admitted what its critics have been saying all along: Large language models are predatory pieces of technology that have been built on what a Microsoft executive called “an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions,” and the “largest theft of labor in human history.” An internal Microsoft document said generative AI products have created a “doom loop” that is killing “the entire web.”

Those statements and a series of other mask-off moments feature heavily in an unredacted court filing that was unsealed Thursday in the behemoth New York Times vs OpenAI copyright lawsuit that has been winding its way through the court system for years. In a filing asking for summary judgment (basically, a filing with the court asking it to rule), lawyers for the New York Times laid out a series of admissions made by Microsoft and OpenAI executives in documents and depositions that until now had remained either sealed or redacted at the request of Microsoft and OpenAI.

It’s easy to see why the AI companies wanted to hide this from the public. The statements, taken together, are some of the most damning indictments of the ways LLMs were trained, how they worked, and the immediate threat they pose to human labor. It is a reminder that even as AI becomes more powerful and companies try to shift the narrative to the supposed existential risk of “superintelligent” AI, the tools they have already built were created by stealing from human creativity and labor and are by definition existential threats to the human labor market.


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[-] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 58 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I honestly don't see a point where we can move past this without Sam altman, nadell, musk, etc all facing mandatory life time sentence without parole, work release etc.

I would also accept the removal of their heads.

[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 34 points 2 days ago

I'd prefer if they were forced to pay royalties for all the work they stole to the people they stole it from. And, like, have someone actually force them to comply. They'd have to hire a Microsoft-sized compliance department just to figure this shit out and track payments.

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 9 points 2 days ago

Yeah, but with which money? All those AI companies are not and will never be profitable (and they'll be the reason for the next stock market bubble pop)

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Which is exactly why they are pivoting to "AI sucks, LLMs are dangerous..."

[-] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 days ago

Better yet, seize their assets and make them try to make a go at it as a regular person.

[-] wittymcusername@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago

Seize their assets and use that to pay creators whose works they stole.

[-] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago

I like how you think outside of the box.

[-] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 days ago

Could you imagine Elon Musk running a fryer or injection mold for 8 hours? Who am I kidding? he'd never pass the piss test required to run the injection mold.

[-] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago

I'm sure many of them think they would just prove us wrong, and because they are so smart that they would just rebuild from the ground up on their own.

My concern is they could convince another rich person of this, and get them to invest in their newest scam.

[-] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There'd have to be some sort of stipulation that made it so nobody could do that. I don't know how you'd do that, but it could probably be done. Are there any laws that prevent people convicted of fraud from doing the same thing again? Maybe something like that.

I would love to see them roofing houses or working in a foundry. Hell, even seeing them trying to be a janitor or something.

[-] llama@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

They could still grift their way to a life of comfort through book deals with Ayn Rand or something

[-] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

I doubt it. Nobody who cares about what they'd have to say actually reads books, and they wouldn't be able to afford a ghost writer anyway.

[-] cammoblammo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

But hiring a ghost writer is the only way they could get a deal with Ayn Rand.

[-] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago

this is the way.

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