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[-] iocase@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hitler thought he was changing the world for the better.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...

[-] QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

Were Hitler’s intentions good though?? I’m not 100% sure that’s the wording you’re looking for

[-] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

He thought he was some kind of destined hero or manifestation of Germany's rage at being cheated after WWI. I'm not defending what he did I'm using him as an example of how even the most vile people who've ever lived don't consider themselves evil or the villains.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Im pretty sure he was mostly just spiteful. And high. Very very high.

[-] iocase@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I know you're memeing but imma sperg a bit here regardless

Disclosure: I used claude to find this summary and sources because i'm not going to put a massive effort into this besides skimming some sources. Hitler believing he wasnt good, right, and justified in his actions is kind of nuts if you know anything about him and his personality.

The wartime psychological profile (Langer Report, OSS, 1943): US intelligence commissioned a psychological analysis of Hitler during the war itself. It concluded that a survey of all the evidence forces the conclusion that Hitler believed himself destined to become an immortal figure, chosen by God to be the deliverer of Germany and founder of a new social order for the world — a conviction he firmly held, and that this conviction wasn't rooted in the truth of the ideas he promoted but in his own sense of personal greatness. This is a primary historical document, not modern speculation — it's held at the Jewish Virtual Library archive if you want to read the original analysis.

Self described aryan jesus i guess

He believed he was righteous and was working to redeem a disgraced Germany

Aber ich brauche sie nicht, um mir von ihnen meine geschichtiche Groesse bestaltigen zu lassen." (717)

And to Strasser, who once took the liberty of saying that we was afraid Hitler was mistaken, he said:

"I cannot be mistaken. What I do and say is historical." (378)

many other such personal statements could be given. Oechaner has summed up his attitude in this respect very well in the following words:

"He feels that no one in German history is equipped as he is to bring the Germans to the position of supremacy which all German statesman have felt they deserved but were unable to achieve." (669)

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

There was so much propaganda surrounding Hitler and the man himself was aware that he was a cult of personality, that I don't think it's safe to assume anything he said or wrote about himself were his genuine beliefs about himself rather than based on a belief he could make others believe he was bigger than he really was if he said it enough.

[-] iocase@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

If thats true im sure he felt it was the right thing to do, and he was justified in doing it...

The burden of proof is on you to prove that claim, and to prove he didnt think he was doing good with his actions which seems to be the historical consensus and is well supported from tons of primary sources. Hitler thought he was doing good.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I didn't make a provable claim; my stance is there's no way to know what Hitler really thought of himself and that his writings only necessarily show what he wanted others to think about what he thought and could have been a part of the cult of personality he built around himself rather than his genuine beliefs. Not saying that he did or didn't actually believe any of that, just that he's the only one who truly knew and that thought was forever erased by the hot lead he shot through his head in his bunker.

My suspicion was that he didn't really care that much about good or evil and only spoke about them because it was a means to manipulate others into giving him power, but I wouldn't bother betting money on that because there's no way to resolve such a bet.

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 1 points 3 hours ago

It's clear he thought he was doing good for himself, at the very least. Often that is motivation enough, especially for small men who crave great power.

[-] iocase@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yes i agree there... my original point is nobody thinks they're the villain in their own story. Even Hitler felt he was justified in doing what he considered to be right.

Its a pattern you see repeated everywhere.

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 1 points 3 hours ago

I would wager that a lot of the worst people don't even consider their position in their own story. They're the centre of it, anything else is an afterthought.

The pattern I see repeated is people do what they think is best for themselves, if that benefits others or not is inconsequential. Sometimes what's beneficial to you is giving someone some money to make them trust you, sometimes it's stealing money from their pocket and convincing then otherwise. Being a "villain" is irrelevant to the overall goal.

[-] iocase@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

But they certainly don't think they're wrong or evil for doing it

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