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Wow, thanks for the sources. I don't listen to podcasts but will check out his book.
To add a personal point: For me if I feel anger, in a debate where the oposition just countering my arguments (and not obviously trolling or use fallacies), that usually means I ran out rational arguments and my brain tries to protect me by turning on the fight/flight/freez reaction, that's the point I can learn if I can keep my emotions in check.
I usually only join a debate when I am interested in the other side's perspective.