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[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net -4 points 6 days ago

That is a false narrative. There was always the option to kick Hungary out (the process exists, despite some people claiming it doesn't). But Germany didn't want that because the German car industry is using Hungary for cheap assembly of parts.

[-] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 10 points 6 days ago

No you can't just kick out Hungary that easily.

You'd have to disband and reform the EU to do that. This same channel did a video on how it would work if the EU wanted to kick them out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WADDH_g-95Q

Anyway, we didn't want to kick them out, they stayed and it looks like it's working out great now having them in, we don't want people to think the EU will just ditch them if it gets tough.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Suspension of rights under Article 7 requires unanimous approval of all ~~720~~ members of the European Parliament. It's pretty much impossible to actually apply.

Edit: 698, obviously hungary is excluded.

Sanctions require only a 2/3s majority, and that's proven to be incredibly difficult, as plenty of MEPs will see that one country being punished for their actions might lead to them being punished too.

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 days ago

This is not how I understand the requirements. As by a direct quote from an official EU website:

Article 354 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union lays down the voting procedures to be used by the main EU institutions when a Member State faces the application of Article 7. The country in question does not take part in the vote. It is not included in the calculation of the one third of countries required for the proposal or the four fifths required for the majority. Parliament’s consent requires a two-thirds majority.

The 4/5th super majority referrs to the concil and the 2/3rd to the parliarment. These are high requirements, but that seems reasonable given the severity of the result.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

That's for the "preventative measures" clause, article 7(1). The sanctions under 7(2), require more, but it seems unanimity is only required in the Council:

The procedure starts with a proposal made by one third of EU member states or by the Commission. The European Council then obtains the European Parliament’s consent. Provided the European Council’s members agree unanimously, the European Council may then determine that a member state is seriously and persistently breaching the values of the EU.

If that happens, the Council can decide to suspend some of the rights that derive from application of the treaties to the member state in question, including its voting rights. That decision is taken by a qualified majority.

So, if Hungary was still under Orban, such a vote likely wouldn't pass today, since Czechia is also in the Council under PfE.

But you're right, it's less ridiculous than I thought.

[-] LoOroBob@lemmy.wtf 2 points 6 days ago

They would have vetoed against being kicked out, probably …

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 days ago

The relevant article of the EU treaty explicity forbids that.

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