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submitted 12 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) by A_norny_mousse@piefed.social to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

I usually don't even understand the lingo they use. "Open-weighted" is the most recent one, then it usually goes down to specific "models" that everybody is supposed to know about.

These are my thoughts (I will stick to the vague "it" for now, but of course therein lies another question: "and how does all this apply to various specialised AIs"):

  • Is it really feasible to run it 100% locally? I know there's plenty of people with very powerful rigs indeed, but still. Or are 99% of these people really saying "it would, in theory, be possible to run that locally, therefore your concerns are invalid"?
  • If yes to the previous: the software doesn't come from nowhere and ultimately still relies on gas-turbine-powered datacenters and stolen IP and stolen personal data, no?

If what I wrote above is true, what exactly are people arguing when they say it's still possible to use LLMs ethically or true to FOSS philosophy, because ... ???


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Thanks to all who answered.

I guess it's my fault for asking several questions in one, but this thread has attracted exactly the type of people I'm writing about; several even used the term "open-weighted models" without explaining it.

Asking to get arguments explained, I got more arguments instead.

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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago

Is it really feasible to run it 100% locally?

Yes. My Macbook Air (M2) released in 2022 can run many publicly available LLM models. The ouput is not as fast as using a large powerful datacenter, but for my local needs, I'm not in a hurry. I get about 17 to 30 tokens per second speed running 100% locally.

If yes to the previous: the software doesn’t come from nowhere

For Mac users, the interface comes from here . For the specific LLM models that is a separate question for each.

and ultimately still relies on gas-turbine-powered datacenters

DCs generating power on-site is a relatively new phenomon because existing grids are at capacity, so the only way to bring new DCs online is locally generating power at that DC, usually using gas turbines or even worse, diesel generators. Most if not all of the publicly available models for running on your own hardware were built before those gas-turnbine-generating DCs were a thing.

The public models people are running now have existed for a number of years are likely made on regular utility grid power which is whatever that nation and region uses.

and stolen IP and stolen personal data, no?

The Llama LLM is made by Meta, so probably yes for that one. Deepseek is from an AI research lab in China. QWEN is from Chinese company Alibaba. We don't know for sure the inputs that created the Chinese models. US AI companies claim a number of the Chinese models are derived from American LLMs, but I haven't seen (or looked for) proof of these claims.

If what I wrote above is true, what exactly are people arguing when they say it’s still possible to use LLMs ethically

Likely they mean because you don't have to pay a large LLM owner in a rent-seeking model to run LLMs, nor does a person's use contribute to further development by those companies.

or true to FOSS philosophy, because … ???

With the open-weight models it doesn't rely on a commercial license to use, and the interfaces can be truly open source.

[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.social 5 points 4 hours ago

OK but what does open-weight model mean?

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

"Weights" in LLMs are the "final answer" numbers from the results of model training, and these are the engine of the LLM model. Lets use chocolate chip cookies as an analogy.

The chocolate chip cookies are produced with ingredients, a recipe, labor effort to produce the dough, and then cooking energy/effort to bake chocolate chip cookies. In a traditional AI company, the company gets the ingredients, they write their own recipe, do all the dough creation, and then the energy/labor for baking, and charge you money to get chocolate chip cookies.

An open-weights AI company got all the ingredients, wrote their own recipe, labor effort to produce the dough, and instead of charging you for the dough, you get as much uncooked dough as you want forever. Your only task is to take the dough and cook it yourself and you've got free chocolate chip cookies. You can make as many cookies as you want with your own oven. However, you are not given free raw ingredients, nor are your given the recipe to alter it in a way you might like. You can only get the dough for free.

So open-weight AI models (uncooked dough) are LLMs you can use on your own computers (oven) for free and have LLM output ( chocolate chip cookies), but you don't get the training data (ingredients) nor the training parameters (recipe) that built the open-weight model.

[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago

Thanks, that was properly eli5'd!

[-] Balinares@pawb.social 2 points 4 hours ago

It means the weights (the numeric data that makes up the model) are publicly available to download and use for free.

In some cases there are conditions such as, if you run the model as your business, you need to purchase a license. That's usually the largest, most powerful models, though, not those most people would be able to run at home.

[-] Denjin@feddit.uk 3 points 5 hours ago

Question, what do you do with it and how is the data that underlies the model harvested?

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Question, what do you do with it

I use it for both fun throwaway stuff as well as productivity tasks for learning.

Example of fun throwaway:

Do you remember that episode of Seinfeld where the Kramer starts using Facebook marketplace and starts buying the most worthless items before being robbed when trying to get a too-good-to-be-true sale? No? Because it never happened, but you can plug that premise into an crafted LLM prompt and it will pop out a whole TV script with in-character dialog for each actor as well as use of popular existing sets.

Foreign language learning:

I'm studying a foreign language and want to interact with just the level of vocabulary and grammar I have knowledge of right now at my level for practice. I can prompt the LLM to limit itself to just what I know now and adjust the conversation level so I can practice. If I ever get stuck, I can ask the LLM to explain the grammar usage or vocabulary choice.

and how is the data that underlies the model harvested?

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Are you asking, for example, how the Deepseek model was trained? If so, I answered that above. If not, can you rephrase your question?

[-] Balinares@pawb.social 1 points 4 hours ago

You run a program like llama.cpp that can use the weights to run the model, which you can then use for whatever you'd use a model for: figuring out tech stuff, coding, etc. It's a bit involved, but there are tools that make it easy to get started. LM Studio for instance.

In some cases, the lab that created the model publishes the dataset that it was trained on, and those are usually made of publicly available data. In most cases, though, the labs don't give details, but the answer likely involves siphoning every web page they could find.

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