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Iowa city council debates proper time in meeting agenda to "undo the curse that was just put on our city."

An Iowa man has kicked off controversy over religious freedom in the small town of Ottumwa, Iowa by opening a city council meeting with a prayer to Satan, which then kicked off a debate about the proper time in the meeting agenda to undo the “curse.”

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[-] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 133 points 2 days ago

At the Tuesday night council meeting, the audience stood up to recite the Pledge of Allegiance the moment Dalbey finished.

The dubiousness of unquestioning nationalism aside, the pledge of allegiance containing 'under god' also makes it a religious phrase.

[-] leg@leminal.space 60 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's honestly so weird. The whole ritual needs to be done away with

[-] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

But without idiotic, blind patriotic fervour, what will become of 'Murica?

[-] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago

Won't nobody think of the flags?!

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 days ago

They should do as Alcoholics Anonymous did. Change god for "higher power". Because, you know, people need a higher power nanny.

BTW: Alcoholics Anonymous has a direct surrender to God in 4 of it's 12 steps, and indirect mention in 2 more. And god is obviously a "Him"

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 22 points 2 days ago

AA was started by a pair of Christian revivalist Oxford Group (now known as Initiatives of Change) members. They believe that fear and selfishness are the root of all problems, and that the solution to living without fear and selfishness is to "surrender one's life over to God's plan".

Basically, they don't think people, in general, can govern themselves and require a sky daddy to keep them on track.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago
[-] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

I appreciate the sentiment but what does Reagan have to do with the pledge? It was changed under Eisenhower.

[-] Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

they added the Under God part during the Red Scare to show the world that the US wasn't a secular godless nation like the USSR at the time.

[-] adjectivenoun@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

That's also when they started putting "In God we trust" on our money. Assholes.

[-] Willy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

maybe they used the original?

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago
[-] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Even if they removed 'under god' from the pledge of allegiance today (Republicans would probably filibuster any such attempt in the Senate), indoctrinating students at public schools with its daily recital has contributed to an unhealthy level of nationalism that leads to not only a view of American exceptionalism, but also the belief that any overt or covert attempt to replace the governance of foreign countries with institutions closer to that of the United States must inherently be good.

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