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submitted 3 days ago by 1121219165@lemmy.zip to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

I keep hearing bad stuff about proton, but I don’t really get most of it. Could someone please explain all of the controversy to me. Lastly, what are the best alternatives to all of their services?

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[-] nkk@programming.dev 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Mail - Tuta Mail

VPN - IVPN or AirVPN (Never been independently audited but cheaper and has port forwarding)

Drive - Selfhost Nextcloud or Tuta Drive

Calendar - Selfhost Nextcloud or Tuta Calendar

Docs/Sheets - Selfhost Nextcloud or LibreOffice (offline)

Pass - Bitwarden or KeePassXC (offline)

Authenticator - 2FA or Aegis (both are offline but that's a good thing with 2FA)

Meet - Jitsi

Lumo - Local AI or Kagi Assistant (paid, comes with privacy-focused search engine) or Duck.ai (free)

[-] brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What happened to mullvad? It used to be protonvpn and them as default recommendations, now it's another two.

[-] nkk@programming.dev 3 points 19 hours ago

One of two Mullvad CEOs personally donated 5,000,000 SEK (~500K USD) to the Swedish Örebro party, who support ethnic cleansing. "Sweden is for the Swedes".

Mullvad's response was just fence-sitting on the issue.

By paying for Mullvad, you are funding the man who donated to the far-right Örebro party, and likely will again.

[-] HereIAm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I've been curious about Nextcloud as a self hosted storage area. But I've not really found clear information if my use case works well with it. I have more or less just a network share that plenty of services and sources has access to (immich, local computers, syncthing, jellyfin etc.) but as I understand it Nextcloud doesn't like files being modified externally as it keeps quite hefty indexing of all the files. But I've also heard you can mount "external" storage in Nextcloud that it would be less mad about.

[-] UniversalApproximation@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Drive: Filen, Jottacloud

VPN: NymVPN

[-] nkk@programming.dev 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

NymVPN is too new for me to feel comfortable using personally.

Also it seems that they worked with Brave which I'm certainly not a fan of.

I wouldn't recommend Jottacloud as their privacy policy seems iffy and they don't have e2ee.

Filen's privacy policy seems better, although they do say they do analytics. They do have e2ee though. Definitely much closer to Tuta than Jottacloud.

[-] UniversalApproximation@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Harry Halpin is the CEO of Nym and is at least a CEO who’s politically on the good side. And Chelsea Manning works for Nym.

Yeah, the Brave Ad-block and no WireGuard Configs are not so good, but so far I enjoy NymVPN.

People who use Jottacloud should encrypt their data before sending it over.

[-] sumsinj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I once saw people also recommend airvpn in the same context as ivpn, do they also have some issues or are they just too unknown?

[-] nkk@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago

I like IVPN because it feels like a pretty drop-in replacement for Mullvad. It's also available on Accrescent which is great for anyone using GrapheneOS.

As for AirVPN, I thought you needed an email to sign up but after checking their sign up page, it seems you can enter whatever string you want for your email.

They also support port forwarding unlike IVPN so if that's super important to you maybe AirVPN is the way to go.

It also seems AirVPN is slightly cheaper year by year and significantly cheaper if you buy 3 years at a time.

AirVPN has never had an independent security audit though, so if that concerns you IVPN is the way to go.

Otherwise, it seems like AirVPN is a real contender if you're worried about price and/or port forwarding. Maybe I'll give both of them a try before I commit to one (still waiting for my Mullvad days to run out).

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