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Yeah we should increase costs for parents, its about time they had less spending money!
And on top of that, I want my kids focused on fashion and not education. I want them worried that their clothes are not stylish enough when in class, or bullied for their personal style.
Yeah because outside of school everyone walks around naked.
Exactly what I said well done. Or is it iseful for parents to separate out the unis deal with them and have the kids wear what they please after school.
Personally for me I begged my mom to take me out of catholic school and put me into public school, and one or the best parts was not having to put up with uniforms.
I'm not sure what part of the world you're in, but in the US school uniforms cost more than regular children's clothes. And I still needed regular clothes, so my mom had to basically buy a second wardrobe for me just to go to Catholic school.
My first job out of college was processing expense reports for a corporate relocation management company. Basically, global corporations want to move their employees around the world, and offer benefits to those employees and their families to cover extra costs they will experience and to incentivize them to take those jobs. Part of that included education Costa for their children to go to international schools, many of which required uniforms, and I can tell you those reimbursements got to be crazy expensive.
I dont think there is any aspect of life americans wont find a way to make excessively costly. My kids uniform, spare and alt stuff all in was €40.
I've literally never seen school uniforms that don't need to be purchased by the individual
Yeah it cost us €40 for the year. They come home after their school and change, its either okay for the next day or they swap it for the clean one. Shorts and spare shirts included.
Are we all going to pretend like there isnt cliques, like kids cant be mean, like there are not social pressures added to children once they leave their fsmily unit for school
So the cost was already on the parents, is my point.
That being said, a uniform doesn't prevent any of what you're talking about. If a kid comes from a poor family and has a uniform, they're still going to be picked on for being poor. If not for being poor, then for some other reason. You can't protect children from everything and there's a solid argument to be made that trying to stunts their growth.
Yeah it amount to about 1.5 local currency a week over the school year. If it cant be afforded, which it absolutely can be by almost anyone, it is supported by the state.
It does prevent it, it puts them on an equal footing visually and from the start. Kids are only going to see that they all have the same outfits. They cant compare phones, lunches are provided. I would hope that by the time such biases come out the kids have formed a safety net and social circle.
40£ is pennies compared to what most parents spend on clothes for kids to wear to school.
Great, what I'm reading says that parents spend on average over 400£ per year for kids in secondary school and over 300£ per year for kids in primary school (on uniforms, which means they're undoubtedly spending more on clothes outside of that because no kid wants to wear a uniform outside of school). Where are these numbers coming from? Who knows! None of what I've said has changed significantly.
It's much more common for British school children to want rid of school uniforms than it is for schoolchildren in the huge part of the world without them to want to be required to wear them. Clothing-based bullying is overblown as a hypothetical problem. Also, uniforms are the more expensive option for patents as they need to get their children regular clothes whether or not they need to also get them uniform. There's also some evidence that places with school uniform produce adults much more likely to buy branded clothes, so if there's a genuine causal link there, uniforms end up the more expensive option for adults, too.
My kids full unforms cost €40 and the first thing some prick kid did on a no uniform day was mock a child for having an old jersey.
I have never ever seen someone get bullied for their clothes fashion or choices, also if bullying is that common of a mistake maybe parents should teach their children how to behave.
Unfortunately, the parents of bullies are often bullies themselves.
Yeah absolutely they should. Its just kids having something to say mostly but why create an avenue for it to become an issue. Let uniforms exist, remove the whole piece around fashion and let them build a community. Let them focus on education.
If parents can only afford 40 currencies in clothes, I'm failing to understand how it being a uniform or some other clothes makes a difference.
You think kids aren't getting bullied anymore because they all wear the same clothes? Magically bullying is fixed when their outfits are the same?
You want to discourage or prohibit children learning to accept themselves and develop independence and individuality?
You think indoctrination is 'building community'?
I didn't say any of that.
If parents cant afford a uniform we here in the civilised world provide them free of charge. But it generally isnt the case that parents here cant spare forty a year for uniforms.
I didn't mention fixing bullying through any means, I removed an opportunity for it to occur. No magic involved.
No I dont, those are essential to growing up. As are building communities, understanding you are part of one, finding commonalities with new people and new groups.
Uniforms put kids on an equal footing within the school. Standards are important.
This is satire, right? Like, you're obviously being sarcastic, yes?
Yeah clearly, uniforms are a necessary point of contention