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[-] m532@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

stealing

Stealing: when you don't have it anymore afterwards.

Copying: when both have it afterwards

The RIAA's propaganda campaign was sadly very successful.

[-] Kajika@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Actually let me analyze again your comment here: I thought you were right at first but thinking about it not really.

First let me address : I didn't know about RIAA, this kind of paternalistic way of addressing people is not good in any way. We aren't all USA-centric (like you?).

Then about the "steal" argument:

  • it is a vocabulary used for century by Marxist organizations about the value taken by the bourgeoisie from the proletariat work.
  • the argument of "copying is OK" is missing the point : any FOSS dev/organization I know would gladly give their work to you, individual. But not to big tech to commercialize it and make extreme amount of money, as well as steering conversation towards fascism in the process. While also having an amazingly big impact on the environment.
  • "both have it afterwards" is also a fallacy : any work done on computer can be seen like this : if your an accountant and you boss copy your accounting sheets and do not pay you, it is not stealing? You both have the file, for you it won't make you any money, he will. Big tech taking FOSS code for their profit is not piracy as of individual accessing cultural product they cannot afford in the first place. And if you make profit from piracy this is a whole other discussion I would gladly here your thoughts about it.
[-] m532@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

Private property is theft. "Intellectual property" is a form of private property. It exclusively benefits the bourgeois.

Regarding your third bullet point: Try your example again, but this time the boss doesn't copy the file. It's still labor theft. The copying is irrelevant.

[-] Kajika@lemmy.ml 1 points 32 minutes ago

Are you saying I am right then? I feel you think of something but it is not clearly getting to me here.

  • it's labor theft -> hence the term steal I was using
  • copying is irrelevant -> so I was right? the labor theft of big tech in order to sell LLM is wrong on many level and we should fight against it.

Do you at least see that, to me, what you just said is validating my points?

Also if anyone else (not to you @m532): "AI" (in reality chatbot or generative AI) should be made by the people for the people, and FOSS ideology (can we say Librism in English?) have always, and still mostly is, against the closed-source (close dataset to be precise here) nature of current big-tech AI. This was already a problem 8 years ago when the space started to get filled with "scientific" paper that didn't disclose code/data (sometime just code but still insufficient) hence couldn't be reproduce while sometimes having wild claims. We shouldn't give so much credit, attention, money to those fascists in charge of selling as much LLM as possible, whatever human, economic and environment costs.

[-] Kajika@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago

You're right, I said "steal" as it was the most common word, the right one was "exploiting". Fixing it.

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