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[-] tottle@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago

If u think the study is flawed, the onus is on you to explain why it’s flawed

[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 2 points 19 hours ago

Sadly yes. But this has a long tradition - put out flawed study methodology or write publish incendiary claims and then only later it gets debunked. It's fucking evil because vaping actually is one of the most effective ways to quit smoking and vastly safer.

[-] tottle@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago

It’s fucking evil because vaping actually is one of the most effective ways to quit smoking and vastly safer.

So far you've accused studies that say otherwise of being flawed without providing any analysis as to why, and you haven't provided any sources of your own. It should like you just like vaping and have an axe to grind

[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 hours ago

Sure I have. Smoking kills. And vaping is ultimately just as safe as the nicotine patch. It doesn't take much to understand that.

But as long as you are entertained mocking me by posting smarmy pictures, enjoy. I find it despicable. I doubt you ever research the topic. But the WHO, the World Health Organization, can be accused to killing millions with their zealotry that pushed many countries to outright ban vaping, while smoking remains perfectly legal and convenient. That is the result of many fraudulent studies.

This is not a trivial topic about "an axe to grind". From my perspective, it's not much different than mass murder. Why? Because of stupidity or profiteering.

So laugh it up. Mock me if you want. I don't have time or energy to read and debunk this latest study, they are relentless. But I have read these kind of studies in the past and all the anti-vaping studies turned out to be fraudulent. Fraud use for propaganda leading to bad policies and preventable deaths. That is the moral dimension of this shit.

[-] tottle@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

So reputable scientists at the WHO telling people that they shouldn't inhale vape juice is tantamount to "mass murder"? I don't know how to respond to this message without it sounding like I'm "mocking you" because what you are saying is so unbelievable and has so many flaws in reasoning that there is no sober response that doesn't make you look bad

[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yes. There is no flaw in reasoning - if you had read any of the fraudulent studies that the WHO policies back then were based on you would understand. But you know nothing about this topic do you?

You people don't seem to be able to wrap your heads around that bad shit is happening because the media doesn't tell you about it. They love the headline about danger this and that. But still people like you think they can just parrot the headlines and mainstream media and are automatically right and can insult and shit on anyone who says differently. It's very arrogant.

Vaping is very safe. Vaping can be very effective and getting people off smoking. And there are powerful interests arrayed against them for various reasons.

Take the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement. Ever since then Big Tobacco pays off states. The more cigarettes they sell, the more the state profits. And then they leveraged or borrowed money against those future profits. Then vaping comes along and threatens that. What do you think their motivation is? A moral one? Or are they going to do what is best for themselves?

I don't know exactly what the dysfunction at the WHO is but it's probably related to nicotine replacement therapies which make pharma good money. Or it's related to anti-smoking zealotry, a kind of fanaticism. But their recommendations have led to a lot of countries banning vaping outright while cigarette smoking and deaths continues. You might disagree with calling this murder. I have no such qualms.

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