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[-] biggeoff@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 days ago

So what makes this better than a pencil mark on paper?

[-] TeaWithDani@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Nothing. Americans getting ripped off by some company selling bullshit at the expense of their democratic legitimacy.

You can count the votes faster... but who cares about that when you can just take longer?

Likewise, electronic voting just introduces the doubt of legitimacy, even if voting is totally safe and legit.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Note that the paper ballots generally don't take longer to count, they are generally digitally scanned in the same way the printouts from the touchscreen machines are.

It might speed up voting as a tap is a little faster than filling a bubble, but then again a wide tip marker would fix that, but then you might spoil more ballots when people aren't sure if they mismarked it.

[-] TeaWithDani@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I guess but we still have pencils and teams of humans counting. I agree its the safest and easiest to audit.

Swapping a pen or marker could spoil a box if some funky ink is introduced.

[-] Dojan@pawb.social 8 points 2 days ago

Here in Sweden votes usually take about a week to finish counting, including re-checks and such. It's not so bad.

What is bad is that we're 40 days in and the government still hasn't been established. Useless pieces of shit.

[-] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Pencil marks are prone to issues of stray marks, invalid choices (like choosing two candidates for a single office where you can only choose one), incomplete marks like where there's only a dot (or ✖️ or ✔️) when you're instructed to actually fill in the whole bubble. Many of these types of marking rules can invalidate an improperly marked ballot. And pencil marking is also subject to regular old mistakes, like when someone bubbles in the candidate other than their intended candidate, by following the row/table alignment incorrectly.

The ballot marking machine is helpful for making sure that the ballot generated isn't invalid, and prevents certain categories of mistakes.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Well, for starters...

A hanging chad is a fragment from a punch-card ballot paper which has not detached fully, resulting in an incomplete and therefore invalid ballot paper. Punch-card voting machines require voters to punch holes in their ballot papers in order to indicate their voting preferences. The small discarded fragment of paper is called a “chad”. “Hanging chads” result when ballot papers are not completely punched through and the small piece of paper or card prevents the ballot paper from being marked down as a definite vote for a particular candidate.

Hanging chads were partly responsible for the unusually high proportion of invalid votes recorded in Florida during the 2000 US Presidential election. As Chads weren’t completely punched through, many ballot papers recorded people voting for fewer than the minimum number of candidates required. The US invested heavily in electronic voting methods such as voting machines, but still faces significant difficulties with elections.

[-] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

Nobody mentioned punch card ballots.

[-] treesapx@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Punch card ballots are supposed to be much better than pen/pencil and paper and that ended in disaster.

[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

What the fuck do punch card ballots have to do with pen and paper?

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago

Double-counting

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