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Brazil’s President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, a vocal critic Donald Trump, was reelected Sunday in a result that provides relief to critics of widening U.S. influence in Latin America.

With 100% of the vote counted, Brazil’s electoral court announced that the soon to be 81-year-old Lula had a lead of nearly 4.4 million votes over opponent Flávio Bolsonaro, giving him 51.8% of the total vote. Bolsonaro quickly refused to concede defeat and asked for the election results to be annulled after an evening of chaos at some polling places that followed a last-minute decision to extend voting by two hours.

Bolsonaro is the son of former President Jair Bolsonaro, whom Lula defeated to take the presidency in 2022.

Lula’s triumph bucks a regional trend of victories for right-of-center presidential candidates allied with Trump. It also means Latin America’s largest economy, with a GDP of $2.6 trillion per year, will likely continue defying Trump’s demands, despite the pressure of increased tariffs.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

this was literally the narrative to try and make them less secure by the bolsonaros when they were in power. the brazilian voting machine is actually state of the art and they know it.

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world -2 points 17 hours ago

The way to make it secure is to just use pencil/pen and paper and manually count. I really don't know why people cling to electronic voting.

Works just fine in multiple countries, including here in Australia.

(inb4 Brazil is way bigger than Australia. Yeah, so per capita they have more people to count votes...)

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

listen though: the voting machines are already secure.

paper can be messed with. they have to be manually counted by people every time. that's why the literal nazis in brazil wanted to revert to paper.

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world -2 points 11 hours ago

No please you listen

listen though: the voting machines are already secure

Reliably verifying this is a near impossibility.

Tom Scott lays it out well in these videos:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs

paper can be messed with. they have to be manually counted by people every time. that's why the literal nazis in brazil wanted to revert to paper.

They want to revert to paper without any of the procedural steps needed to make it secure. You are absolutely conflating the fact that they want paper voting (so they can cheat) with how proper secure paper voting actually works.

Yes, they need to be manually counted. This works incredibly well where I'm from (Australia), and other countries.

You need the votes to be counted, by hand, in the presence of many people, and with invigilators from all parties/candidates making sure no one is cheating.

We even have preferential voting, which is even more laborious, and yet we still do it.

With such a set up you'd have to have a conspiracy of literally thousands of people in order to affect the vote. And if people are just letting a vote be rigged if it's an open secret, well the only solution to that is mass action and you have far greater societal issues. All election systems rely on people fighting to keep it fair.

Sorry, but voting machines are a band aid that do not make elections secure, and give people a false sense of security, while also allowing bad actors to throw doubt over results (because of aforementioned impossibility of verification).

Like, sorry. I'm glad Lula won, but electronic voting is still shit.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

stop being stubborn when the facts point elsewhere.

paper votes is part of their strategy to manipulate elections by stealing ballots and more.

you are literally echoing the nazi narrative for weakening elections.

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