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[-] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 days ago

Wasn't it that God cast Lucifer down into Hell for asking too many questions?

And that Christianity rules over people with fear that they won't get into Heaven if they don't worship God correctly enough?

It makes sense that they'd lie about what Hell is like to lure you over to their side.

I bet Satan is actually a pretty chill dude and everyone just hangs out doing drugs, having crazy sex, and listening to metal all the time.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I always thought it was Satan was given a promotion for dissenting.

[-] AEsheron@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

IIRC, current Catholic view is that Satan got upset that God treated humanity so nicely, to the point of giving us his only son to murder in order to redeem us. But earlier Christian views, and Judaism, has no war in Heaven. Satan was not cast out, is not in charge of, or trapped in, Hell. Satan was the Judaic version of Nemesis, the angel God sent to test mortals.

Also, Lucifer as a name for Satan is a mistranslation. A Hebrew prophet tried to warn the Babylonian king not to make the tower of Babel. He used an analogy the king would recognize, and compared him to a myth from the Babylonian pantheon. The pantheon was ruled by the two brightest celestial bodies, the sun and moon gods. The third brightest celestial body, Venus, tried to usurp them. His rebellion was put down, and he was forced to repeat his unsuccessful coup for eternity as punishment. This is a reference to the fact that the inner planets, Venus, and the as-yet undiscovered Mercury, never fully cross the sky. They rise, traverse, and then reverse and set the same direction they rose from. The whole of the myth wasn't spelled out in the Bible, but enough was described that it did sound very similar to the war in Heaven, so a translator assumed Lucifer must be a name for Satan. They liked it so much they sprinkled it around in some other places top. Which is how Satan came to be known as Venus/Lucifer the evening/morning star.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

God cast Lucifer down into Hell for asking too many questions?

I mean, it's a mythology that changes based on who is telling the tale, so...

Yeah, sure, if that's the story you want to tell.

But other reasons range:

  • He tried to create stuff from nothing, a thing only God is capable of doing, and was cast out for this blasphemy
  • He fucked God's Wife (Lilith, the First Woman)
  • He taught humanity to defy God by lying, which is the True Original Sin
  • He was dispatched by God, deliberately, as a Loyal Opposition and all part of the Great Plan
  • That shit ain't even in the Bible, you're a heretic for believing it
[-] Haquer@lemmy.today 4 points 3 days ago

Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago
[-] CalypsoGirl@lemmy.today 5 points 3 days ago

No, wait, I thought it was all made up fairy tales intended to intimidate and control people.

[-] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

I mean yeah, if we’re being real it’s all just a load of shit to give people something to fear so they have some reason to not rape and steal and murder so much.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

And she brought forth her hardcorest son, and wrapped him in denim and leather, and kicked him out to heaven; because there was no room for them in hell.

[-] Dicska@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Fine, I will watch Belzeboss again. It's been more than a week, anyway.

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