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Democrats need to take some responsibility for the perception that they are not meaningfully different from nazis.
Haley Stevens may as well be working out of a GRU information warfare center in moscow, since she's basically russian propaganda in action.
Especially because leftists and progressives have been pointing this out over and over again while centrist establishment democrats condescended us.
My friend if you think Russia is behind Haley Stevens wait until you hear about this country called Israel and the money they’ve been openly throwing around this election.
Both can be true at the same time. Russian and Israeli intelligence are part of the same right wing oligarch, pedophile class.
Ironically money that we give them.
Saying "Democrats" as a blanket statement isn't fair. Mahmdani and El Sayed are both democrats. How about holding the individuals responsible.
They're democrats by necessity, though, and not embraced by or representative of the party establishment.
The party is changing, and these types of candidates are evidence of that.
Let's hope.
It's literally all you can do.
No. It's really not. Voting in primaries is the easiest action you could take. You could also get even more involved during primary season, throwing your hat into the ring, or volunteering for a candidate that shares your value. Outside of election season, you could get involve in your local democratic party. You can also put external pressure on the DNC, by working in/on groups with voters the DNC courts/expects. If your elections are using RCV or something similar, you could even make the D candidate not your top choice, as long as they remain above the R candidate. There's SO MUCH you can do beside "hope".
True, plenty you can do, and this is a good list.
My point is that changing the democratic party is the only hope
I think there may be approaches other than changing the DNC. But certainly, voting for a 3rd party (or worse not voting) in a FPtP election is not among them.
Also, making real progress in some of those alternative approaches might also cause the DNC to change in response.
The DNC will never be a home for leftists, if it ever was. I'll vote in Democratic primaries, and for plenty of Democrats on the ticket, but the DNC is routinely an embarrassment.
Then you might as well give up. I believe that the party is in the process of changing, and we just need to keep encouraging people like El Sayed and pushing for those types of politicians.
The DNC isn't some mystical being that can't be changed. We have to fight for the change.
In this case, I'm for replacement rather than refinement. Working Families Party.
Also, more left-leaning parties would encourage all left-leaning parties to implement Approval or Ranked-Choice voting, preferably a Condorcet method and that would be a good thing.
In case you weren't aware, WFP candidates will run under the Dem ticket sometimes as a strategic decision.
With the requirements some states have, its the sensible option. Its also one of the way to substantially alter the party OR increase the standing of WFP.
Just because there is a "D" there, we shouldn't assume establishment. This is why knowing who is running and getting in at the primaries is so important.
That's actually one of the reasons I really remembered the Working Families Party after I learned about it: they understand the only way you can wield political power to change things (hopefully for the better) is to first acquire political power. With the way our current system works in most cases, it better to do that by getting a candidate to win one of the major party primaries rather than challenging both major parties in the general. But, that can change as power shifts or depending on the introduction of voting systems better than FPtP.
They need power first, and a third part is never going to get that, just like this has NEVER WORKED INT HE LAST 80 FUCKING YEARS.
This is our very last chance to have a country and you’re pulling out the “actually a vote for Jill Stein would be a really smart thing for our democracy” shit?
Give me a break. Not ever ever falling for it again. Democrats have been leading way too far right since a bunch of Chamber of Commerce assholes got together and formed the DLC and now CAP and Third Way, and they have been pushing the party to the right since the early 1980s while posturing as the kindhearted progressives.
Enough is enough, we are taking OUR party back from the hands of corporate greed and you can go form a centrist party if you want. Democrats get called lefty socialist commies all the time for openly stating progressive positions while rarely ever following through. It’s time to follow through.
I very clearly stated that I would be voting Democrat, and I didn't encourage anyone not to. Nice strawman you've built there.
This is the sams as giving up. We have a 2 party system whether you like it or not, and Dem will always be one of them. Any 3rd party will just give power to Republicans.
We might have a two-party system, but Democrats and Republicans haven't always been the two parties. Strategic voting is not "giving up", nor is support organizations other than the DNC and RNC. You sound quite out of touch with reality.
Plus, two-party systems are generally the result of FPtP voting, and there are a number of better voting systems* being used in elections across the country and under those systems even voting for a 3rd party doesn't "give power to Republicans".
*: Basically every voting system is better thatn FPtP, but a cloneproof Condorcet methods eliminate the traditional spoiler effect of a 3rd party on it's most closely aligned major party.
How are you going to say I'm out of touch with reality then jump into a fantasy world where we somehow have a different voting system than we do? Unless you're in a very specific region (Alaska for instance) it is all FPTP and all 2 party system.
Third parties will only work in some districts. They are almost always spoilers, though. And acting like it is anything else is playing perfectly into the Republicans hands.
Fact is, you say DNC and RNC haven't always been the 2 parties, but it has been this way an incredibly long time. It is not changing. What has changed over time is the beliefs of the parties.
Only realistic option is to vote for the democrats that represent what you want and hope enough will get elected that they can reshape the party.
Are you even reading my replies? You keep accusing me of doing things that I'm no where close to doing. Please take care of yourself.
Pretty non specific reply... Nothing I said was incorrect though.
Never Say Never. It'll be incredibly tough cuz obviously we're never going to have the financial backing that let's say the Tea Party did. But it is possible to take over a party from inside. And in American politics it's pretty much your only option, barring that massive funding like I said.
I don't disagree. In many other situations, I do prefer to push from change from inside. In this case, tho; I feel my resources are better spent toward organization that might replace it. I certainly won't fault you for making a different decision, but the DNC has either ignored, insulted, or attacked me and the people I care about enough that it feels irredeemable to me. Tho, maybe in the future them (or persons like yourself) will convince me otherwise.
Will do note, I never said anything about it having to be a peaceful takeover necessarily.
I'm not following. Are you saying that Democrats could be easily confused with Nazis in large numbers? That's a weird thing to say... After all, she just got thrown out of the state party. She lost in the primary to someone who's definitely not a Nazi.
So it sounds like you're floundering, trying to stereotype the party and failing to do so.
Of course the corporate Democrats are worthless, as are the centrists. Lots of bad shit going on in the party. But not so many Nazis, my friend. You got the wrong party.
Well, the party kicked her out immediately.
We'll see where she stands in a year. "The party kicked her out" doesn't mean anything when she's not running for anything