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transcription: be me, closeted transfem, have computer science degree, family constantly bothering me with tech problems, always dumb shit like not restarting computer or googling error messages, lightbulb.jpeg, come out to family, get disowned as expected, they never contact me again, dont have to deal with their dumb it problems anymore, mfw, should have done this years ago.

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[-] Seralth@piefed.seralth.com 17 points 1 week ago

Calling x11 well supported at this point is like calling a 1977 Pontiac firebird trans Am. Well supported

It's liked, there's lots of information about it. But any real support died for fucking ever again. And the only people claiming otherwise have their heads buried deep in the sand.

Even calling it stable has a lot of ifs to it at this point. If your on a old system, only doing basic things, with a well trodden and documented track record. Then yeah it's more solid then a block of solid rock.

But half the reason it's "stable" is because it's a duct taped mess that is basically a bat shit insane house of cards one bad day from falling apart.

But we know every fault, trick, and piece of duct tape. So the chance of it falling apart is almost zero.

Waylands problem tends to be it just refuses to hurry the fuck up and actually get any real work done. But what does get done tends to get done more right then x11 and quickly fixed up as issues come up.

So long as the gnome team shuts the fuck up and doesn't interject. If they do then all bets are off.

I think the main stability issues that people encounter with Wayland are because of one of two reasons:

  1. Dogshit nvidia drivers that dont support Wayland
  2. Wayland has added security features, and the program you're using doesn't support them.

The main security features people get hung up on are:

  • screen sharing
  • clipboard
  • stealing window focus
[-] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago

There's some other problems, some more stupid than others

  • GNOME refuses to support clientside decorations, the Wayland specification doesn't require it, so any software that wants to work in a window and support all major DEs needs to have code to draw its own titlebar
  • I think screensharing still has some problems that haven't been settled yet, not sure if there's a way to capture an application and only its audio, might work worse for preserving capture configuration across restarts
  • Global hotkeys have a somewhat stupid issue, and OBS refuses to support them - the issue is that OBS supports having multiple profiles and wants to be able to have different hotkey bindings for every profile, and there's no good way to do that right now.
  • Global hotkeys also have a controversial side in that there's no consistent way for applications to know what keys are bound to hotkeys, and application developers want to display hotkeys inside application settings and allow users to change them there. And that's an issue because Wayland developers want to ensure Wayland isn't restricted to only typical keyboard, mouse, gamepad setups, and things like global hotkeys can be bound to things like touchscreen gestures without needing workarounds like emulating keypresses.
  • Another issue in a similar vein is window positioning. Some software opens multiple windows, and its developers want to be able to position those windows in a layout. On the other hand, Wayland developers don't want to limit software to rendering on rectangular 2D screens, and don't want software to be positioning windows with 2D coordinates like that, and instead have a way for software to indicate to the compositor more semantically how windows are meant to be laid out. I don't think they've worked out a solution yet.

I respect Wayland trying to avoid backing itself into a corner where expanding future support is going to be a mess because they rushed to get something out, but it does take a long time, and we're not there yet.

On a somewhat random note, I have a screen with probably crappy HDR support, and previously on Plasma I tested it a couple of times for fun, but there wasn't much support from software and the colors were off. Recently I hit some weird bug where my colors were just off (on SDR), looking greenish, decided to try turning HDR on and off to see if it'd help. After turning it on, I realized the colors look fine, after running the calibration it looked the same as it would in SDR, but just with HDR support. I tested it on YouTube videos, not sure how to tell how well it's working, but it's a nice "huh, guess we got there" moment, where there's another thing that now just seamlessly works for me.

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