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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 6 hours ago

The problem is that then a true report that doesn't lead to a conviction for whatever reason results in punishment for the accuser. In an innocent until proven guilty system, which I'm sure we can agree is the best option, this means the accuser is guilty until proven innocent. The practical effect would be (and was, when something similar was completely by accident implemented in Pakistan) rape victims getting punished for reporting rape.

Edit: If anything, it should be the other way around: What "ruining someone's life" means in practice is that it excludes them from polite society (and therefore pushes into impolite society*), which among other things means they're unemployable or close to unemployable. Among other things, this is bad because it causes rapists to be more likely to rape again.

[-] velma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

this means the accuser is guilty until proven innocent.

That's exactly what these type of people want for rape victims.

He thinks that an accusation is as bad as being raped.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io -1 points 6 hours ago

That's too uncharitable an interpretation. "Punish false accusers for trying to ruin victims' lives (among a whole host of other reasons)" is an appealing sentiment that simply fails to be applicable in reality. This could be the case, but it doesn't necessarily have to be.

[-] velma@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago

I've seen enough of this argument to know that it is inherently bad faith and is equating being a victim of rape to being a victim of a false accusation.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 4 hours ago

Or maybe it's just something that's obvious at first glance with non-obvious pitfalls.

[-] cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world -2 points 5 hours ago

what about only punishing false accusations that can be proven, for example a text message saying „if you dont pay me I am gonna accuse you of SA-ing me“?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 hours ago

I'll leave it to people better informed than me to pick through the pros and cons of this, but for the most part it seems like a solution looking for a problem. Besides, perjury is already a crime in most jurisdictions.

[-] velma@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago

How many strawmen are y'all going to construct to attack rape victims?

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