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Why blue WA voted to ban trans athletes from girls sports
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The studies we both posted are reliable when you read them wrong and thought they agreed with you, but now they are unreliable when I point out you read them wrong and they disagree with you. What incredible judgement you've displayed. Your thoughts and ideas are really good and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter and discussion boards where you and other "people educated on the subject" congregate. /s
You're reading the conclusions of the researchers and ignoring the actual numbers, which again, for the very last time actually do support a physical difference on muscle, and at this point you've descended to ad hominem and we'll agree to disagree.
The researchers know those numbers and decided that they do not constitute a significant enough difference to say trans people have an advantage over cis people. That's the conclusion they came to. That's how conclusions work. They take all the research they did and come to a conclusion.
You keep pointing to your incomplete reading of the data and expecting me to take you seriously. You keep talking about how you feel like these differences must confer some significant advantage to trans people even though researchers keep coming to the same conclusion of, "no advantages". You're like a flat earther who keeps saying, "but the ground feels flat and researchers said that level tools are accurate."
If your only proof is, "my feelings", then what the hell else am I supposed to talk about? If you don't want your feelings to be hurt, stop using them as proof. If you "feel" like these researchers conclusions are wrong, go prove their conclusions wrong. I'm sure there's a lot of money to be made for bogus research proving trans people have and advantage over cis people.
Lol you keep saying it's 'my feelings'. It's not. For the final time. My degree is in Excercise Science. The field's opinion on that is lean muscle mass is the best predictor for athletic performance, period. And this politically biased study says that it doesn't matter, but offers ZERO explanation for why they say something that definitely is NOT the scientific consensus. Which definitely makes me mistrust the study, kind of a lot, if you can point out where they explain why lean muscle was not considered to be important, please feel free. But honestly, that's like saying the sky is green. Now, clearly your feelings are hurt and you're a fanatic who can't hear anything other than what they want to, so good day.
Also, if this thread is indicitive of how trans supporters act, and their general thoughts on the science behind the topic, maybe I was very wrong to have supported trans issues. Definitely food for thought for me today.
More proof you can't read.
Lol who can't read again?
Jesus Christ yeah I'm done with transgender support on any level after you. If this is the level of intellectual honesty and scientific literacy I can expect.
Do you believe a SMD of 0.19 with a 95%CI that includes 0 to be a significant difference? If so, your degree is a useless piece of paper and you did not learn anything in college, probably because you can't read.
I 100% do, especially when combined with the structural differences in musculo-skeletal connections and tissue that this study but others have measured. If a doping/cheating method provided similar results, it would be banned from the sport, fuck they banned certain swimsuits over less.
This also doesn't address at all the ability of trans men to metabolize testosterone quicker allowing them to more effectively hide steroid use and doping.
Yep, you've 100% convinced me that this argument you're presenting is not about the facts at all but about your feelings.
When you say "they banned swimsuits" or "it would be banned", you are talking about sports leagues making decisions on sports. We are talking about the government deciding who can and cannot play sports. I do not understand why you want the government to decide who can participate in sports, no matter how strongly you feel about your hobby.
In regards to the science, since you seemingly wasted your time at college, let me explain what 5 min of Google revealed. SMD is Standardized Mean Difference, which is how much difference there is between two groups. An SMD of .19 is statisically insignificant. The minimum bound for statistically insignificant is actually .2, so the difference in lean muscle that you love spouting on about is even less than noticable. The 95%CI is a measurement of how much overlap there is between two groups. If the range includes zero, then the two groups overlap each other so much that if you were to chart them on a graph, they'd be centered in mostly the same place. A 95%CI with ranges -.14 to .53 means there is significant overlap between the two groups, with the data suggesting that some trans women might have a little more lean muscle than cis women, but overall, most trans women have a similar amount of lean muscle to cis women.
If I were to make a conclusion about this, I would say that the vast majority of trans women athletes do not exhibit significant differences in lean muscle when compared to cis women. If there is any uncertainty, that is because there are so few trans women athletes to analyze, but none of the currently availble data would suggest trans women hold any biological advantages over cis women.
It is truly incredible that my 5 minutes of Google educated me past your degree in Exercise Science.
It is truly incredible that you believe 5min on google beats a degree, but that is the state of the world today, and shows your level of intellectual honesty. This is how facebook anti-vaxxing moms do things after all.
Where's your data science boy? Where's your research and numbers Mr. Exercise? All throughout our interaction, I seem to be the only one using facts and figures while you harp on and on about your feelings and beliefs.
Aw, you mad bro? Yeah this isn't about your feelings at all is it.
We've been talking over the same study for like 10 comments, I can tell by your reading level you're not capable of understanding that because of my educational and professional background I have some differing opinions on the conclusions of those involved with the study, and I'm allowed to. Thankfully voters agreed with me more, and those same leagues you want to dictate things have pretty universally applied anti-trans rules. So I think despite you whining and crying about what you want, you're not gonna get it.
That's a whole lotta words to say you have no data. Your strongest argument so far has been to call me a meaniebobeanie.
It's absurd that you claim to be a trans ally while advocating the government ban them from participating in society based solely on your opinions and not the scientific consensus. I'm sure once transgender people become more widely accepted, you'll quietly pretend you were always an advocate, the same way bigots pretend to do about gay people and black people.
Nah my strongest argument so far has been the study's own results which proves there is a difference, and a trans person can't fully change sex. They're still biologically male or female.