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[-] phanto@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago

This is the problem: how do we ban social media for kids? First we have to know who are kids and who are adults. How do we do that? More tracking. More stored data. Pass. The real answer is to punish the people doing the harm. Throw Zuck in supermax and take away his company. Pichai, Nadella, Bezos. Cook. Huang. Altman. Hold them accountable for the crazy damage they've done to the earth and society.

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

This is the problem: how do we ban social media for kids?

Be a parent.

Give your kids a locked down device. Monitor their use use of unlocked devices (PCs/Laptops) at home. Talk to your kid's friend's parents, if your kid is using their devices you will find out and can deal with it accordingly.

Parents have been stopping kids from smoking and drinking, they can keep them off tiktik till they are in high school as well.

[-] phanto@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

I think you missed my point. I'm saying that any "protect the kids" call is almost invariably followed up with an implied "By taking away more privacy and by stealing more data."

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 days ago

I didn't imply that you should be violating the privacy of kids any more than a parent is entitled to. Locking down a device and shoulder surfing your 10 year old is not violating human rights, it's keeping your kids safe from the firehose.

[-] phanto@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm not worried about kids' parents monitoring their kids' use. I'm aware that they are going to implement across the board ID for every damn website "to keep kids safe". Tracking everything I say in every platform I say it on is violating my human rights. Also, all these companies are American. They have zero right to any of my data. Ever.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

I got news for you the parents where not stopping the kids from smoking and drinking.

[-] phanto@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I can tell you (not a parent, in IT for education) kids, like dinosaurs, find a way. It'd amaze you how clever they are at getting on devices. Hell, we have kids hacking staff accounts so regularly we just audit all the accounts for the usual kid haunts.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

I don't see it. How is your system so lax that kids are hacking them weekly?

[-] phanto@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago

Did I say weekly? "So lax?" Do you know anything at all about our system? How do you know that I don't work in "Prison for 17 year old hackers"? How do you know that I'm not the only IT guy for an 11,000 person education system? We have a real cybersecurity problem, yes. But this may stagger your imagination, you don't know any of the details, so of course you assume we must be fully staffed, fully funded, dealing with little kids, and just incompetent.

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

How is your staff enrollment so lax that it can be done by any user?

[-] phanto@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Oh simple! I didn't proofread my post before posting! Autocorrect changed "hacking" to "having".

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago

My question stands. A simple confirmation by a human when enrolling a new account or upgrading an existing account should be enough. How many legit new staff accounts are added in a week?

[-] phanto@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago

Okay, we're done.

[-] klankin@piefed.ca 1 points 3 days ago

Laws exist for smoking and drinking?

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

I'm not sure if you are still a child or never were one.

[-] thehermet@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago

Absolutely but Canada can’t do that, and banning social media companies is political suicide

[-] klankin@piefed.ca 1 points 3 days ago

And more pressingly to the politicians, laws restricting them is portfolio suicide

this post was submitted on 10 Nov 2026
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