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[-] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 hours ago

Critics of mass immigration have a point, and should not be discarded as ignorant bigots. Even if they often are.

What changed my mind: seeing neighborhoods inhabited almost exclusively by poor immigrants. And rich immigrants. Both in their own exclusive enclaves. The only ones that don't form enclaves are middle class immigrants.

[-] DougPiranha42@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago* (last edited 9 minutes ago)

There can be enclaves or castes without mass immigration. In fact, a bunch of suburban and rural communities feel like enclaves where no outsiders can feel welcome.

Critics of mass immigration or open borders have a point- in a world with global travel and trade, a country cannot work without controlling who can come in and who can work.

Critics of anti immigration politicians also have a point- blaming social problems on immigrants, fueling hate for people whose skin has a different tone, and inhumanely denying aid and shelter from refugees are not going to help anyone.

The world is changing and it’s difficult to cope. I don’t think that the enclaves of immigrants are the main reason of those challenges. It’s the loneliness epidemic due to social media use, the affordability crisis due to unchecked corporate greed with political corruption, and the collapse of perspectives for meaningful and lucrative careers due to AI and the corporate takeover of everything. Those changes are faster and more profound than a bunch of immigrants moving in next door, please look beyond them.

[-] b3nsn0w@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

honestly this is mostly a result of disenfranchisement, not immigration itself. the middle class has a reason to fight through that, while lower classes are protected by their own against a hostile society. make society less hostile and the problem solves itself.

but if you wanna solve mass immigration, you should strive for global equality. even when given unrestricted immigration prospects, people tend to stay put when they don't have a strong reason to move, and if you knock out economic and military reasons, most immigration tends to happen due to relationships and it's fairly balanced.

insisting to prevent mass immigration in ways other than trying to solve the root reasons is just insistence on a privileged place in global hierarchy. i don't think that's morally sound in any situation.

[-] keylemmypie@reddthat.com 1 points 1 hour ago

Why did the enclaves change your mind?

[-] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 1 points 39 minutes ago

For a functional society, it's members must share the same physical and mental space. Even if individuals radically disagree with the status-quo, they are still a part of the same in-group. I call it a "rebel vs invader" dilemma. Rebels can succeed in changing a society, invaders will be resisted.

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