Technology

Americans invest milions in healh evolution and only 1% of the americans can use it. On the other hand every other country with a free heath care will provide the solution discovered by americans for free to their people. Americans dying to keep the world alive. This is really fucked up.

This is basically my fear, also. How can I retain hope that new, amazing treatments will help people if we don't even have equitable access to the current treatments?

For example, we still make people seeking medicines for mental health try going through a gauntlet of dependency-forming drugs from greater than half a century ago (that have been shown to be effective in less than half of people who take them) before insurance will pony up for contemporary alternatives (that work much more often).

I don't work in the clinical space so don't trust me too much... but jeez we have so many things to solve before the "bio golden age" really helps normal people

That is so funny... tbh I know I'd get shit for this professionally, but it definitely frustrates me that we don't allow people with few other choices to have access to crazy, left field treatment stuff.

My best friend died of a specific and rare cancer this year. We know exactly how that cancer works on a molecular level, and we've found a few chemicals that interfere with the function of those cells in vitro while not seeming to harm average cells.

Sure, it's a huge risk to take that drug that's only been tested in a dish, and it wouldn't be worth it for most people. But he was going to (and did) die within a year of diagnosis. It's not like he had other options.

Maybe he should have invested in a rat costume ;)

As someone with both Multiple Sclerosis and a whole bunch of environmental and food allergies, I hope we both get helped.

Well, you'll also be happy to know that they started this work on allergin way before working on autoimmune disease, and in my opinion, the evidence that it works for allergies is much stronger than how it works for autoimmune diseases! Not necessarily because it won't work for auto immune stuff... just that they have done less confirming.

I have severe allergenic asthma so I was excited about it too 😁

privacy on that site was horrible, and I stoped de-selecting vendors who want permission to track me after two minutes.

Just open the page in a private window at that point, and click the "yeah sure track everything bro" button.

Nope! This research is all done in rodents, to my knowledge. I'm always like "wow what a cool and maybe lifesaving discovery!.. for people in like a decade+!" 🙃

(thanks for the book rec!)

I'm sorry! My knowledge of this process does not extend to the point where I could even give you a hint of the answer. To be honest, it would require me diving into the underlying mechanisms of your condition, and it sound like your doctor has said it isn't even settled science why it's happening, so I don't think anyone can tell you if this would work for you.

I know that isn't what you wanted to hear, but two things: 1) this treatment is a long way off anyway, so anyone will have to wait for it to be available, and 2) there are probably many other treatments coming down the line for your condition... even if those also take a long time.

Anyway, I'm sorry for your pain and that I couldn't help! Honestly, I hope something will be available to help you many years before this becomes a treatment option.

Do you take humira or another medicine for it? I have AS too and it’s bearable with Humira for me. But yeah if this research leads to something that would be great

There are immunotherapy treatments for cancer already. Infections and cancer use the immune system the correct way: "tag" the problem cell/virus part with an antibody, make a lot more antibody and flood your body with it to clear the problem cell/virus.

This is the process a vaccine uses. The old vaccine method is to take a bunch of dead bacteria or inactivated virus and put that in your body. Your body should identify it and begin making antibodies against it. If you do get exposed to the disease, your body is full of antibodies which can immediately clear it, rather than letting the infection/cancer work for a few days without much of an immune response.

An autoimmune disease, a body "tags" its own cells. Then the immune system invades the person's own tissue.

I have celiac disease. If I eat gluten, the enzymes I use to digest gluten become tagged. Unfortunately, humans make one gluten enzyme (TG2) that's found everywhere in the body. A third of celiacs will have their thyroid tissue affected if they consume gluten.

One particular antibody, IgE, is known for extreme reactions to antigens. These are the ones known for the immediate and life-threatening allergies (peanuts, shellfish, bees, wheat).

This new stuff appears to be a way to tag antibodies or antigens or memory T cells (they hold the "blueprints" to make antibodies really quickly after your natural antibodies go away) and have the immune system "re-evaluate" the antigen. I'm guessing from the post above and a little of the article. I haven't heard of this process in the body before.

Cancer itself is not autoimmune (autoimmune inflammation can make it more likely to happen, but tumors don't form directly through autoimmune mechanisms). So the first pathway used for normal vaccination is what's needed. The difficulty lies in knowing something in each specific cancer that would make a good antibody target. It is a person's own cells and DNA, so a lot of care has to be taken to find an appropriate antigen. Immunotherapy treatments that exist are really specific to certain types of cancer. They have much less severe side effects than radiotherapy and chemotherapy.

You're not oversimplifying from my description, my description was just too simple itself! Unfortunately, no, it wouldn't work like this. The whole idea is that the cell would pick up anything and discover that it isn't as dangerous as it thought. That's the opposite of what we'd want for cancer cells!

Luckily, there are many, many other treatments for various cancers coming in due time, also. My research is actually closer to cancer research than immunology, so I can tell ya-- there's good stuff coming!

Maybe? But it works by flagging specific proteins related to allergenic response. For people with higher tendency to develop allergies in general, I imagine you'd need a LOT of different flagged proteins to cover the bases of what one's immune system was already alerting to.

Tbh, it might be a good treatment for those individuals for their few, most problematic triggers, but I think in general there are probably better approaches for them!

At least this is about autoimmune diseases which aren't contagious.