No, I mean it, they really have taken the models of the British Empire and the American Empires and expanded them in a way neither at their heights could ever justify nor imagine. Surveillance system sales to authoritarian governments? Selling surveillance in other countries?! Like the CIA look like idiots spending money to get surveillance in other countries on that one. Plus they get to support the dictators keeping the peasants sending raw resources to China!

Purposely loaning money to countries with bad credit histories for leverage to get them to build ports for the Chinese empire's trade network?! Britten spent so much time and money fighting wars, and colonizing just to be our shined on that.

And let's not even get to started on the levels of control business have over workers there. The US robber barons use the State here looks like child's play to the anti-union, anti-solidarity work done by the CCP. A giant union ran by the largest capitalist in the country? With authorities able to crack down on grassroots organizing on the opposite side, and the ability to send slaves from regions in need of "reeducation" all around the country. Makes the US look practically socialist on some fronts (we aren't and have a good way to go).

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally every word of that is a falsehood.

[–] fruitywelsh@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They aren't loaning out money to have ports built? They don't have a state run union? Their government isn't filled with some of their richest? They don't have a program reducate certain peoples that includes shipping them accross the country? Like come on, some of these are just established public facts that even the CCP doesn't deny.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They aren’t loaning out money to have ports built?

The myth of Chinese debt trap has been thoroughly debunked, just a few examples

In Dec 2021, BBC Interviewed Dr. Deborah Bräutigam About the Debt-Trap Story in Africa. BBC Then Made It Look Like She Agreed With Them During the Broadcast. Corrections Were (Obscurely) Published Eight Months Later in July 2022 But Without Any Change to the Broadcast. https://archive.is/e0BYg
Evo on why China's not an empire https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1419655886725865472
Chinese Investment In Africa Has Had ‘Significant And Persistently Positive’ Long-Term Effects Despite Controversy https://www.eurasiareview.com/01022021-chinese-investment-in-africa-has-had-significant-and-persistently-positive-long-term-effects-despite-controversy/
study on Chinese investments https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3745021
The Atlantic found no debt trap https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/
China and Africa: Ethiopia case study debunks investment myths https://theconversation.com/china-and-africa-ethiopia-case-study-debunks-investment-myths-177098

Their government isn’t filled with some of their richest?

It's demonstrably not. The government is predominantly filled with working class people

They don’t have a program reducate certain peoples that includes shipping them accross the country?

A weird framing for programs to provide people with jobs and education.

Like come on, some of these are just established public facts that even the CCP doesn’t deny.

As I said, every single claim you made is disinformation. Also, no idea what CCP is. It's called the Communist Party of China, CPC. The fact that you can't even get that straight says volumes.

[–] nadir@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

http://www.chinatoday.com/org/cpc/
https://news.cgtn.com/event/2021/who-runs-the-cpc/index.html
https://news.cgtn.com/event/2019/whorunschina/index.html

Do you think those are sources? Pointing at the National Congress or the Central Committee as if those actually held any power is ludicrous.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, these are actual sources. This whole narrative that official Chinese sources are somehow unreliable isn't actually based on anything other than pure chauvinism. This is no different from linking about a US government site talking about US government. And it's the height of absurdity to claim that National Congress or the Central Committee don't hold any power. I love how you just make things up and state them confidently as a form of argument.

[–] nadir@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Official Chinese sources are unreliable when they spout bullshit like saying the rubberstamping meetup that happens once every blue moon that solely consists of party selected individuals is who holds the power instead of the much smaller group that actually actively controls legislation.

But I guess political science is also exclusively western propaganda so there's no choice but to believe a choppy power point presentation.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who told you that official Chinese sources are unreliable, was it the "reliable" western sources that continuously lie about everything regarding China by any chance? 😂

[–] nadir@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you think that the only choices are between Chinese and US state propaganda?

You don't even need independent research to realize that a parliament that only meets once in a while to verify the work of a much smaller group can't be the one that's actually in power.

If you look a bit more into it, you see that the members are replaced in fixed time spans, are all part of the same party, are picked from the top down and so it goes on.

It's not the organ with the actual power.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure I've looked into it a lot more than you have, but do go on.

[–] nadir@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe. The issue is that it's not the quantity but the quality of research that matters.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Yes, you really should work on the quality of your research based on your comments.