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As an outsider, I read about land being reclaimed by Isreali settlers but cannot see how this is different to any other similar situation, like the Ukraine conflict.
No no Russia is evil for invading Ukraine. But Palestinians are evil for being invaded by Israel
From my understanding is Israel has been oppressing Palestinians for years now. This is Palestine "fuck you" move that, imo, is long overdue. I do not want this conflict, but Israel has this coming.
The non-combatants being murdered did not "have it coming", and thinking otherwise is psychotic.
Hamas could have restricted themselves to army bases; they're not hidden. Instead they stormed nearby towns and started gunning down anyone they could find. There is simply no justification for this.
And before anyone asks, every innocent Palestinian murdered by the IDF is just as much of a crime. This isn't how any progress is made. Who knows how many Gazans are going to pay for this, which Hamas is perfectly well aware of because it doesn't actually care about them.
Youre right, I made my comment at about the start of this. I dont necessarily change my "this was coming" stance but at no point did i think this would change anything and will definitely make things worse for everyone involved.
I don't know much about this conflict, so all I say is meant as big "maybe"s.
As a settler moving into occupied territory, maybe you shouldn't be counted as 100% civilian. Not a military target either. I think it blurs the line.
Sucks for the next generation.
Netanyahu was elected despite Israel expanding so I guess the majority of citizens were fine with taking palestinian lands. If you're fine with stealing something you're fine with taking the risk that it will be fought for. They thought they could do it without risking their lives and then fucked around and found out.
And Hamas was also elected, and if you spend any time on Arabic social media, you'll see this being applauded everywhere.
Is it that hard to think at even a slightly higher level? If you think these attacks were justified because of prior violence, then you also think that Israel is now justified at a brutal response, which will further radicalize all sides and make peace even more impossible than it already is. I mean, do you want Gaza to become a flattened field of rubble? Because that's the road that you're talking about going down.
Gaza is a prison and Israel is.the warden
It was only a matter of time. You can only oppress innocent people so much before they have no other choice left behind.
As usual the world turns a blind eye to this oppression.
Of course, now, Israel will feel they have the mandate to obliterate them even more.
Innocent my ass. Oppressors my ass. They negotiate in bad faith and have never wanted a peace, nor will they ever achieve anything by this violence. They're a disgusting one trick pony that the world has seen through.
Lynching and raping and mutilating bodies and killing civilians for fun are not among things possibly justified by any oppression. As I've said elsewhere, they behave like Azeris or Turks. If you want a truly independent Palestinian state, then you'd want these thugs squashed, otherwise they'll create a picture impeding the creation of such a state for decades.
What's your view on 9/11?
I don't remember the U.S. oppressing the Saudis. When did that happen?
Osama Bin Laden:
Did American civilians 'have it coming' on 9/11?
Do Israeli civilians 'have it coming' now?
"Our people?" Bin Laden wasn't a Palestinian. He was just lying. So I'm pretty sure that's not the same.
He claimed he was defending his fellow arabs.
Would 9/11 have been justified if Bin Laden had been a Palestinian?
I don't play games like that. He wasn't a Palestinian. He wasn't fighting for Palestinians. That was a bullshit cover. It was a Saudi operation. It was funded by the Saudis and 17 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. If there is ever a Palestinian attack on U.S. soil, and I doubt there will be since they don't have the funding or the organization, we can talk about whether or not it is justified and what measures, if any, should be taken.
But I'm not interested in "Would Hitler's invasion of Poland have been justified if the Poles were the ones oppressing the Jews" questions.
In summary:
You don't think American civilians 'had it coming' on 9/11. The reason you don't think they had it coming, is because Bin Laden wasn't Palestinian.
You do think Israeli civilians 'have it coming' now, because those murdering them are Palestinian.
If Palestians murdered 3000 American civilians, you think 'we could talk' about if that was justified and if they should face consequences ('if any') for that crime.
Perhaps predictably, you failed to not mention the holocaust or Hitler.