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The comments in this thread are mind blowing. Simply put, people are cheering for pure terrorists who also want to kill all Jews, while condemning the side who has offered peace treaties multiple times, and always been either flat out rejected, or betrayed.
And somehow just because you hit back with a bigger stick after your children have been blown to bits, you're the bad guy.
There's a "both bad" crowd here, totally rejecting reality, and then a surprisingly large pro-terrorism crowd.
What the fuck.
Oh and don't forget OP speaking about writing this from Tel Aviv as he would be living in Israel. He's in UK.
I mean, both sides are bad, killing civilians in retaliation for a terror attack is still killing civilians. But to pretend that the terrorism is somehow justified is just wrong.
The sentiment, when I wrote my comment, was largely "Hamas good, Israeli bad", which was just baffling.
Both sides have done horrible things, but only one 100% extremist and wants to rid the world of certain group of people. Remind you of a particular regime from the 40s?
Of course the whole situation is more nuanced, but that's the brass tacs, and I just can't wrap my head around how anyone can be pro Hamas.
You should have uncritical support of Palestinian resistance.
Its okay to have critical support of organisations like hamas.
We're also left in a situation where Hamas is the most powerful group in the fight for Palestine because Israel funded them in the 80s to take power away from the more sane leftist PLO.
Nothing deserves uncritical support imho.
Always uncritical support for oppressed peoples resistance against oppression
Israel's government supported and enabled Hamas because it was expedient. And to weaken credible self determination movements like PLO.
Israel created this situation.
Germany supported and enabled Hitler because it seemed convenient. Yet, we don't blame the enabler or bystander for the actions of criminals and terrorists. Hamas is responsible for what Hamas does.
Irrelevant to today's leadership challenges. You cannot undo what happened 30 years ago
Israel created the situation, which is not irrelevant.
It's neither that simple nor relevant to the current situation.
While I am extremely sympathetic to Palestinians who are totally fucked by Israel as well as Israeli citizens who are caught in a crossfire and victims of terrorist attacks, both sides are very much bad here, in terms of leadership.
That the Israeli government has effectively no plan for long-term de-escalation and encourages far-right hardliners is unacceptable. That Palestinians are increasingly clinging to Hamas and calling for Israel's destruction is unacceptable.
Regardless of the history (and I am very aware of the repeated and at times extremely generous peace plans put forth), what matters is competency and leadership today, and the leadership of both sides here has unflinchingly chosen escalation
As a result, there is no option for Israel after this attack except an overwhelming show of force, which is both tragic and as clear and example as you can get that recent leadership has utterly failed to provide genuine safety.
but this isn't a black and white situation. This is literally the case right now. Both sides are absolute shit.
You don't always have to take a side. You're allowed to say a Conflict is too complex to take a clear side in it.
You do know what quotes are, right? The things OP wrote are direct excerpts from the article, which you'd know, had you bothered to read it before commenting. Instead you chose to waste your time, going through OPs posts smh...
Yes, only the one side commits acts of terrorism. Because the Israelis are a government sanctioned by the UN what they do isn't terrorism. Oh wait, they're still a bunch of land stealing baby killers. So yeah, hope they all kill each other and the west stops pissing money away on supporting Israel.