this post was submitted on 23 Jun 2023
409 points (98.1% liked)
Fediverse
17795 readers
25 users here now
A community dedicated to fediverse news and discussion.
Fediverse is a portmanteau of "federation" and "universe".
Getting started on Fediverse;
- What is the fediverse?
- Fediverse Platforms
- How to run your own community
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
From everyone like right now where there’s a bunch of bugs and wants to have certain tools for moderation. Just look at how many issues have been added to lemmy in the past 3 weeks. And that’s just a fraction of Reddit users joining. Having millions of Facebook users being able to interact with lemmy will likely expose many more bugs and show the need for more moderation.
Same applies to your question about the troll wave - they are currently coming from Reddit. And once Meta joins - more fediverse exposure will let more people know of fediverse, and those new people will have trolls among them.
Meta has been in the market of attracting people for a long time. Don’t underestimate their R&D . People on Reddit used to join subs just for having certain bots. Meta can easily bring a ChatGPT bot to lemmy for example. Again this might not attract you but you have to think about the average person.
I think your one good argument against my scenario is defederation. Unlike XMPP the fediverse is already gaining critical mass where defederation can be a viable option. But again I’m sure Meta R&D can “help” with it
@Hexorg Hmm IDK. I disagree on moderation, I don't think any #Fediverse admin would trust #Meta enough to use their software for moderation.
The only case I could see for something similar happening is if #Meta forked existing software, added features people wanted, and then closed the source; but admins won't take kindly to that either.
Now, maybe if people start moving away from #Meta's #Project92 / #Barcelona / #Threads, then those reports will start to pile up, but that's a net negative for #FaceBook in terms of userbase, not a net positive.
If I was #Meta, I wouldn't be making server software, I'd be making a custom client with embedded ads to monetize the content from other folks' content. Which could actually lead to an "embrace, extend, extinguish" situation, much more likely than what #Meta is doing right now.
I found the example interesting in principle. We can think of varieties besides moderation. What other features are highly requested and sought after?
What about an easy way to find, join, and engage with even niche communities? Comm lookup and joining is wonky, especially when coming from small instances. Another related feature is user-side grouping of similar comms into one multi-community. Or being able to easily move between instances, relocate your account. Better indexing for web searches.
The list of possible features, ranging from QoL to Enablers, is endless. Big companies with coding experience can easily dominate the scene, and make it hard to not join them or use their service. Their mere presence could spell dependence.
Like I heard we're using lemmy 0.18 now. Would you voluntarily still use an older version, like 0.9, when you can just as well use 0.18?
Well ok we don’t know what’s actually happening and our mental models of people and companies differ ever so slightly. Not enough to discern on itself but enough that in this scenario the differences compound and we arrive to different conclusions. The reality is probably going to be somewhere in the middle of our scenarios. I do however think that the fediverse should err on the side of Meta being very dangerous because the alternative will catch us without options.
@Hexorg I agree, to a degree. Generally I support federation without cooperation, if that makes sense. The sole purpose of federating with #Meta should be to get people to leave #Meta.
Would they though? I mean whoever hasn’t left Meta yet isn’t swayed by their antics and Meta is essentially promising too add more content by leeching off of fediverse