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Elon Musk says 'we dug our own grave' with the Cybertruck as he warns Tesla faces enormous production challenges
(www.businessinsider.com)
this post was submitted on 20 Oct 2023
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4 wheel steering isn't really new. (but your point is still taken)
I did say "to them"
800v isn't new either, others use it
Edit: stainless steel aside, I have a suspicion that the 48v stuff will cause the most problems. That seems like a lot of suppliers where 1 problem halts the line.
In telecommunications at least, -48V is the standard. It will still be a massive issue but not impossible for suppliers to adapt (with delays). The biggest problem I see is the high cost associated with such low demand, unless more manufacturers start switching over.
48v is in automotive as well. Most of the cable manufacturers are using PoE Ethernet. Belden has product lines devoted to this. It vastly simplifies wiring all the systems of a car together.
AFAIK Tesla is the first mass auto manufacturer going 100% 48v.
Others have a hybrid approach
I can see that 48v head and tail lights would cause a problem. It makes sense to start that on a vehicle that won't see high volumes, since there wouldn't be many needed.
As another person said though, that also means it's going to be higher cost to start.
It's going to hurt by cost, and supply chain hiccups, but overall it'll be better for everyone. Not sure how long a complete automotive transition will take though
It should be a long while before a whole industry transfer. There isn't a whole lot of advantage for things like lights to switch over. This will likely happen first in very expensive vehicles where dropping a few hundred for a bulb is just how people roll. It's also going to be EV only since hybrid and ice cars will carry a 12v system.
That will be a big issue. I think the entire industry will switch, but it's not going to be immediate.
Once the CT is fully ramped, they'll probably start to see some of those costs come down a little, but 250k a year pales in comparison to the whole industry using something.
Teslas Gen 3 platform will add to that scale and help too, but it'll still be smaller than the industry.
An example of a thing which has been tried so many times, but which ultimately only increases complexity, expense, and rate of failure for very little gain.
"Ah yes, let us take one of the most finicky vehicular systems outside of the engine itself and make it literally twice as complex!"
And in return you get.... slightly reduced turning radius.
Ya didn't say I loved it lol. I miss my 2004 civic with crank windows I had that car for 14 years with 0 work done minus oil and brakes.
Ah that wasn't my interpretation, I was just sort of "yes, and-ing" your comment
Pretty much the entire list seems like features that have existed for industrial applications.
Which, sure, is challenging to transition to a new company and scale up to consumer levels of production and down to consumer levels of cost. But I agree everything about this truck seems iterative.
What would you ever consider new in any vehicle if you look at it like that?
Solid state batteries? Not new, it's just changing the anode but a battery is a battery so it's just an iteration.
... Not much.
I'm not really looking to the automotive industry for completely new innovation like that. If I'm going to spend tens of thousands of dollars for a car, I'm probably going to keep it for at least a decade and I value it being reliable and easy to repair. Mature technologies have a lot of advantages over new innovations there.
I'm not the one claiming that these features are new or innovate, and I'm not the one claiming that being on the cutting-edge of technology is a good thing. Musk is.