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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Senator MacDonald outlined analyses questioning the affordability and sustainability of a GBI program. He cited research suggesting it could cost hundreds of billions annually, require tax increases, and reduce work incentives.

Y'know what really increases "work incentives"? Good wages and decent working conditions.

Shitty bosses offering shitty pay at shitty workplaces is the real reason business owners are crying that "nobody wants to work any more".

[–] mkhoury@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

Agreed. It's such a disingenuous argument. It's the usual casting of poor people as lazy, and what they need is a good lashing to get them to work.

Like... No. People want dignity. People want to feel satisfied in their lives. UBI trials have shown that they use that money to get the life/jobs that they want. They're just not gonna be forced into shitty jobs as you said. This last bit is the part not said out loud.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago

I think you are (or maybe I am) misunderstanding what they mean by work incentives. I think they might be referring to the kinda stuff normally referred to as benefits? That said, if the value of an incentive/benefit is being reduced by UBI, then that's a pretty shit incentive and probably shouldn't have been an incentive (as opposed to legally mandated) to begin with.