Nooo, you don't understand. It was the material conditions that were forcing Lenin to order Trotsky to murder his way through the free territory of Ukraine.

[–] doidera@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

forcing Lenin to order Trotsky

Sources?

[–] LazyCorvid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What exactly do you want a source for?

The claim that the soviets caused the conflict because of "material conditions" was a joke that was meant to make fun of tankies.

But you quoted "forcing Lenin to order Trotsky", which is why I don't exactly know if that's what you're talking about.

[–] CatradoraSomething@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The claim that the soviets caused the conflict because of “material conditions” was a joke that was meant to make fun of tankies.

ive never heard this claim, it was a civil war, anarchists weren't exactly all nice

[–] LazyCorvid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The anarchists worked together with the soviets, going as far as actually being a part of the red army and fighting together against the whites. Tensions between the two groups only rose because bolchevik commanders repeatedly attacked their autonomy.

That unity lasted until the reds had beaten the whites in moscow, after which they just invaded the Makhnovshchina.

The anarchists weren't all that nice and had oftentimes critiqued the bolshevists way of implementing communism, but they still worked together and tried to work with the Bolsheviks on equal footing. The Bolsheviks on the other hand repeatedly tried to undermine their autonomy and just betrayed them as soon as they thought that they didn't need them anymore and thus caused a civil war that killed 1.5 million people.