I think posts like this are just emblematic of being too online. And if, like you're saying, tankies don't do anything because that would be counterrevolutionary or whatever, then what's the problem? Keyboard warriors aren't changing shit.

I find all this weird exclusively online rhetoric around what's an acceptable type of communist to be exhausting. My metric of whether or not someone is a good communist is if they help their community and help workers. You can have whatever takes you want on the kulaks or the Hungarian revolution as long as you're standing next to me at the soup kitchen. You know why? Because nobody's thoughts about the Hungarian revolution or even the war in Ukraine matter one iota. In the west we're all so far from even seeing a lever of power that it doesn't matter one whit what any of us think. There's not about to be a tankie coup d'etat of the American government any sooner than an anarchist one.

All this post and the responses to it are are leftists wrestling in the mud to see who can have the fewest allies when they get crushed by global capital.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if, like you’re saying, tankies don’t do anything because that would be counterrevolutionary or whatever, then what’s the problem?

I find all this weird exclusively online rhetoric around what’s an acceptable type of communist to be exhausting

Oh it's not at all exclusively online. Like, I'd prefer not to be put into a gulag, thank you, or have a vanguard start revolutions when conditions aren't met, ultimately delaying the actual fall of capitalism. This shit has real-world implications, and them being tolerated in online places gives them power to recruit, to propagandise, ultimately to act like that AFK so we can't have that.

Yes I'm saying tankies should be deplatformed. Deal with it.

[–] regul@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d prefer not to be put into a gulag

See? This is the shit I'm talking about. All of your fears of tankies throwing you in the gulag are predicated on some sort of revolution happening. Do you really think that's imminent? Like, look around. Name a prominent tankie who is poised to lead the vanguard and replace the government of whatever country you live in.

You're just telling yourselves ghost stories.

"Deplatform" whoever you want, but none of this online shit matters. There's no class consciousness in the US, there isn't likely to be any anytime soon, and should it ever materialize they won't be third-worldists.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All of your fears of tankies throwing you in the gulag are predicated on some sort of revolution happening. Do you really think that’s imminent?

Irrelevant. Utterly irrelevant. The proper revolution requires there to be no people who would put people in gulags, or people who would need to be put into gulags. Advocating for, justifying, or excusing gulags in the name of the revolution thus is counterrevolutionary. And yes it's not imminent, it's beyond several horizons. (inb4 you call me gradualist and think that's an insult).

There’s no class consciousness in the US, there isn’t likely to be any anytime soon

Largely because McCarthyism, the perpetuation of which tankies play right into with their Soviet nostalgia and authoritarian state capitalism. If in 50 years files get declassified and it turns out that the US government has been pushing tankie idiology and structures as some kind of COINTELPRO operation to disparage the broader left I wouldn't be surprised. The consequences of you actions, man, have a look at them.

[–] regul@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The proper revolution requires there to be no people who would put people in gulags

Talk about irrelevant. You yourself recognize it's not happening anytime soon. So explain why any of this matters. Go do what you can to help your community. There's no revolution coming, so we should all just be doing what we can to ameliorate the effects of capitalism. If it's your hobby to have little arguments online that's fine (it's one of my hobbies too!), but don't pretend you're actually laying the groundwork for anything.

You think the reason there's no class consciousness in the US is because tankies enjoy Soviet aesthetics? Buddy that's not even top 50 on the list. Fucking Marvel movies are higher on the list of reasons why there's no class consciousness in the US than the online weirdos who wear ushankas.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So explain why any of this matters.

I already did. Somewhat curiously, you ignored it all in favour of dreaming up a point about fucking aesthetics (that's not what nostalgia means) and... hats. Which aren't even Soviet, the general idea (ie. hat with ears) existed since practically forever from Russia to the Balkans and Scandinavia, the current form was thought up by the white army, and the red army refused to copy it until getting their asses kicked in the winter war, finally realising that reciting Marx doesn't keep soldiers warm.

[–] regul@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago