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I have so many friends who would 100% be labeled as an incel if they were men. They hold men to impossibly high standards while meeting none of those standards themselves.

For example, women living with parents while expecting men to have their own place, women who are obese but are only interested in fit men, working part time while expecting a man who has a career, refusing to drive and expecting men to chauffeur them around, expecting men to have a variety of friends and interests while doing nothing but watching TV all day, etc.

The worst part is, calling out this inequality will 100% get any man labeled as an incel. We're expected to either deal with it or be alone forever.

This is NOT to undermine the very real issues women have to deal with, for example the loss of bodily autonomy in the US. But this is still an issue worth discussing and nobody is talking about it.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So a dozen attacks? Not really the mass scale violence you claimed is it? Seriously, try harder.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ooooh, nice moving of the goalposts! First, it hasn't happened, and then when I give you three results from a quick Google search, now it's not on a mass scale.

Oh, but here's a report from the US Secret Service about the growing security threat from incel men.

"Women are the real incels!" Huh. And I guess that goes right along with, "Antifa are the real fascists!".

But here's a better question: what evidence would you accept?

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If by "moving the goalposts" you mean holding you to your original claim then sure I guess

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I said, "Unfortunately, incels tend to commit and encourage rape and murder."

You said:

I don’t know anyone who has raped or murdered, men or women. Do you have a source for your claim?

I provided three sources from a very brief Google search for "incel murder"; they were literally the top 3 results for me. So know you know of at least 3 incels that have committed mass shootings and/or mass murder due explicitly to their ideology. You then moved the goal posts by claiming that it wasn't on a mass scale. And yet, all three of the cases I cited were people that committed mass shootings, so I'm not sure what you mean by "mass scale"; do you meant that every person that's been black-pilled needs to be committing mass murders before you will agree that it's a problem? What percentage of people need to commit murders, or attempt to, based on incel beliefs, before you would agree that male incels are a bigger problem than femcels are?

So, again: what evidence will you accept?