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[–] xenspidey@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You all realize they don't have that money laying around to pay the IRS right? They own companies, those companies are worth that much. To pay that you would have to liquidate those companies. So no more Amazon, Tesla, Space X, etc...

[–] lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

no more Amazon, Tesla, Space X, etc...

Oh no! Anyway, so how can we make this happen, like, yesterday?

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Don't be a bootlicker or bot or idiot.

When they sell their shares to buy twitter or pay the tax man, those companies still exist. It just means that other people get to buy those shares and that's a good thing, because that way those companies get owned by the public.

Tesla and SpaceX still exist even after Elon overpaid by some $30B for his Twitter adventure.

[–] Slotos@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago

All they’d need to liquidate is part of their ownership in said companies. Companies themselves will be ok, don’t you worry your bleeding heart.

No, they'd just need to liquidate their share in those companies. Those shares would then get bought up by other people or by pension funds.

I highly recommend you to read the paper billionare argument. The market can stand the liquidation of most of those companies without making them go bankrupt, we don't want them to stop existing, just to make them smaller and not a threat to democracy.

For the whole scale of wealth I also recommend going through wealth shown to scale

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s the thing people don’t get. The ultra wealthy are wealthy on paper.

On an average years. All of us make more than Elon in wages.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What did Elon get paid, excluding stock options at companies he works for?

I bet he still makes more than me.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That actually almost seems worse. He is not paying into Social Security or his local community. He is being generously compensated on stock, which is taxed differently.

Edit: I do want to thank you for providing that link. I was only finding a Forbes article about him being the highest compensated CEO of that year.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

He’s paying in the local community through property taxes.

He’s highly compensated through stock and when he bought twitter. We got some huge amount of money in Taxes.

You’re correct. He rarely pays into social but that’s a problem for Congress to solve.

There are many ways to solve this bullshit and one is not allow them to borrow against their stock. That’s how they live for so cheap. I’m not opposed to stopping that at all.