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[–] shadowspirit@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm very saddened to hear about the death of this young woman. I'm also sad to hear about deaths of many, many Palestinians. I do not think it's coincidence that Hamas decides to launch a major offensive in the midst of talks with between Saudi Arabia and Israel to normalize relations between the two after many years of relative peace. We can't have peace in the Middle East because it doesn't serve the ends to the major regional powers.

Both sides in this conflict are used as pawns for the political ends of others. Innocent people are those that get caught in the midst of it all. Hamas didn't do this without a green light so as much vitriol being spilled in this thread we have to take a step back. These fights have been brewing and going on for generations. If you take the short term view much of the strife we see today is the fallout from WWII and that is used as leverage by other nefarious parties.

It's not the Israeli people's fault they do not have a home. It's not the Palestinian people's fault they do not have a home.

Some of the comments in this thread are sickening, hateful, narrow, and short-sighted.

[–] registrert@lemmy.sambands.net 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't think it's right to nonchalantly compare the Palestinians as the citizens of a nation and Jews as an ethnic group. It seems a bit... racist?

From what I understand it's not the Palestinians fault they don't have a home, and that's in large part due to Israeli Zionists.

[–] shadowspirit@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Not my intent. I made an edit to address that.

I don't disagree with you if that extends beyond borders. External forces seem to dictate what happens there.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they have a home, and they'd have a country if they just said "yes"

Jews are most assuredly an ethnic group. One Hamas intends to commit genocide against.

[–] blitzkrieg@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"I invaded your land and occupied it and killed your family, but you didn't say yes when I offered you a piece of your land! You're a terrorist! "

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

you murdered, raped, and defiled the corpses of innocents, unprovoked, and with no aim but the act itself, so you're by definition a terrorist

Ftfy

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Palestinians weren't citizens of a nation and than got invaded by Zionist Jews someday. Israel, Gaza and Westbank (now called Palestine) were created in that area which was called Transjordan at the time. And Israelis and Palestinians come from a similar group of people who has ancestors in the area.

The influx of Jews to the area was a result of World War 2 and the exile of Jews in some of the surrounding countries.

You are seen as a "Palestine refugee" btw, when your father was a Palestine refugee. It's not exactly a citizenship.