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New evidence confirms COVID-19 vaccines are overwhelmingly safe::More than 38 million COVID-19 vaccine doses have been administered in Ontario as of Oct. 8, with 23,002 reports of adverse reactions, an incidence of 0.06 per cent, Public Health Ontario says

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Their efficacy has been heavily studied and proven.

versions might have stemmed the tide of the pandemic

This is straight-up weasel language. There is no (rational) question as to whether the vaccines reduced hospitalizations due to COVID-19, or contraction of COVID-19 in general.

corporate and financial interests were completely disconnected from all our health care and pharmaceutical systems

This is not realistic in the slightest. Reasearch requires resources and the time and effort of highly qualified people.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

You don't need to be so agressive.

OP didn't say that the vaccine didn't work at first. It's just that now development has a hard time to keep up with new mutations.

Also, we don't need multi billion dollar medical corporations to study and create vaccines. This could be done entirely through a government agency or ministry.

I agree with OP about how much we should trust corporations. Their bottom line is to make a profit and they'll do whatever they can to get there. They cut corners and hide facts to avoid losses.

One such fact that was denied and for which you could get ridiculed was that a certain percentage of the population that received the COVID vaccine had symptoms afterwards that never went away. Like constant headaches and swelling of the brain. Now they explain these to you before you take new doses so that you know the risks. They're small, but they can happen.

In fact, ever since my last dose in August I've had constant headaches myself and I always feel hungover. It's permanent. There's nothing anyone can do about it. At this point I wonder if I should have taken it at all considering the I've had so the previous shots before. I only took it because I was traveling for a couple weeks and wanted to increase my chances of not getting sick.

corporate and financial interests were completely disconnected from all our health care and pharmaceutical systems

This is not realistic in the slightest. Reasearch requires resources and the time and effort of highly qualified people.

It's extremely realistic, humanity makes the most progress when research does not need to create a monetary benefit. It allows us to explore ideas unabated. While these systems need funding we could take a 1% from military spending and invest with government resources. Hence why the mrna vaccines actually progressed so quickly, they were already being researched by the army for quick and rapid treatment of diseases during combat, i.e. just to solve the problem not just to profit from the tech, they lent that research out and gave grants to the corporations who developed and manufactured the covid vaccines. Internet, developed for combat communications not for profit. Most computer innovations came out of the space race, research without a profit motive. The ideas funded by corporate interests revolve around optimizing profit, not progress, which is why we get planned obsolescence, lack of rights to repair, massive healthcare costs needing insurance offsets, etc. I guarantee you can't name an actual positive innovation that was spurred purely for profit and not bastardized in the name of profit from a century old idea people forgot about so the company could attribute genius to its wealthy founders crud copy and paste job.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 year ago

I can agree and accept most debates about this and I probably agree with most of what you present. And I am vaxxed with six COVID vaccines at this point and chances are I'll continue taking them with a lot of skepticism.

The biggest issue I have is corporate control.

I agree that research and development requires money ... but that can be achieved through public funds and government programs. What do think is cheaper? Privately owned research that has to be paid for at a premium .... or publically developed research that is made open and accessible for other researchers across the globe (who can then collaborate with each other instead of compete behind closed source patents and information)

I trust the scientists and researchers that develop these medical break throughs .... I just don't trust the private CEOs that hire them or the corporations they work for.