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On the other hand, guns don't kill a lot of people in most european countries (even the ones with very little gun control)
I don't think any European country comes close to the level of lack of gun control in the US though
I mean sure, the US has almost no gun control, but in austria for example you don't even need a permit for a lot of lethal weapons.
I think it's really a culture problem, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't regulate guns a bit
There are mountains of gun control laws in the USA. Saying the USA "has almost no gun control" is ridiculous.
Yet you can buy a semi-automatic firearm privately without a background check.
Yep that that will always be the case, regardless of what the law says. There is no way to enforce background checks on private sales without 24/7 video monitoring and analysis on every person, just like any other form of prohibition that doesn't work.
Except for all the times it absolutely works, which is why the pro-gun community can't buy landmines and RPGs.
It doesn't matter how permissive their gun laws are, nor how few mass shootings they have under them -- they have gun laws that are broadly agreed to be safe for the public.
This is true for every country in the world except America.
It doesn't matter if they are more permissive because their "culture" is less bloodthirsty or because their mental healthcare is better or they banned video games and doors. They have the social risk under control.
When it turns out they don't have the risks under control, such as following mass shootings in Australia and New Zealand, they change the laws.
They even loosen those laws occasionally to make things like hobby shooting at ranges more accessible.
None of that for America though! No matter how great the risks of their gun laws grow, no matter how clearly inappropriate they are for the current state of American society, the gun lobby demands that laws only get more dogshit.
So Republicans make it happen for $16 million a year and the pro-gun crowd cheer them on because they don't want to be mildly inconvenienced to save the lives of people they don't give a shit about.
So clearly you don't know about current gun laws in the US. You must be willfully ignorant to think that America does not have gun laws that are broadly accepted by the public
"Broadly agreed to be safe for the public" isn't the same thing as "broadly accepted by the public" but sure, I guess all the mass shootings, armed criminals and child suicides are just because you've made everyone so damn safe
Not what I said at all, try again
It's literally exactly what you said, verbatim. Are we really supposed to trust you with guns and gun laws?
Keep avoiding my point with your pedantry
Yes how dare I respond to the thing you said instead of the thing you didn't say. Maybe you should stick to the catchphrases the lobby gives you.
The US has a very strange and, in my view, troubled relationship with guns.
What transpires out is that most americans are still attached to the notion of solving problems at gun point and delivering justice through acute lead poisoning, like in the initial settling and further expansion of the country, with no care nor concern for rule of law.
If that were the case, you'd be able to point to a significant amount of daily firearm violence - above and beyond every other form of violence.
Finland, Ukraine(not including war). In some way Russia, where even if you don't want, good unkle Voenkom will give you gun anyway.
Finland has quite strict gun control. Some dude got a big fine and gun taken away for improperly blocked (even if irreversible) ww1 era gun on showcase in some cafe or something
Oh. Ok.
I'm not sure how you'd argue a background check and being of age at a minimum as a lack of firearm control.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
TBF it took Europe two wars and 100 million dead people to get that shit out of their system.
Yeah and the US never finished their Civil War.
Which European countries have very little gun control? I wasn't aware of any european country in which anyone can just carry a loaded gun around in public for no reason.
CZ.
Wow, didn't realise their gun laws were so permissive as to allow concealed carry for self defence, that's unusual in Europe. You do still need a license though, which requires passing an exam, criminal record and health check, so not quite as lax as the USA.
Actually that is what getting a CCW permit in most states requires, PLUS a shooting test.