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A community for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.
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Essential Reads
Start here! These are probably the most talked-about essays on the topic.
- The Abolition of Work by Bob Black (1985) | listen
- On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2013) | listen
- In Praise of Idleness by Bertrand Russell (1932) | listen
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Yeah, I'm an engineer. I've been a server, and I've washed dishes. I could go back to doing either of those, your average dishwasher could do neither of the others.
There is skilled labor. There is no such thing as unskilled labor.
Some skills may be more common than others, but their distribution throughout the population is not the same as their occurrence within any natural ranking relative one to another.
What? What is the natural distribution of aeronautics engineers?
There is no natural distribution of any social role. A distribution is determined socially.
Further, I already addressed your conflation of occurrence within a population for a skill versus its intrinsic attributes.
You don't think social forces are natural?
Nature is that which occurs independent from the particular intentions of individuals or the particular configuration of society.
Human societies occur within nature. We utilize and transform facets of nature toward our needs and ends. That which we create or produce is not natural.
In various societies, members tend to express different behaviors, are subjected to different experiences, and have different roles and relationships.
At any rate, the distinction is not required in the immediate context. I am now repeating for the third time that the distribution of an item or class of item within a system is not the same as its intrinsic attributes.
What gives you the right to define what nature is if that's what it is?
I invoked the term originally, and later clarified the meaning, which is not in my experience controversial.
How do you understand nature?
You did not answer my question. You gave a definition of natural. Please explain why you get to define it.
As explained, I clarified the sense for which I invoked the term.
Beyond seeking such an answer, your question is not particularly coherent. No right is being asserted.
Nothing that you've written has been remotely coherent, it's comical that you'd even use that word.
Have you ever been diagnosed with a mental illness by chance? Do you ever hear voices or feel intrusive thoughts?
Every skill is different from every other qualitatively.
Skills are not related by any natural ranking from their intrinsic attributes.
Their distribution across society is not a natural consequence of their intrinsic attributes, but rather results from processes that are social, relating to accessibly and desirability for individuals receiving training.
Social processes are not natural, because they occur in society, not in nature.
I am sorry that you are feeling confused as you try to follow, but further simplification would be impossible.