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[–] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wrote a bit of a response to this, but I honestly can't really be bothered, I'm sure your waxing poetic will save you from the wall if they take power though

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you're going to shoot them all with your cool guns if they try right?

You're just waiting for the perfect moment that for some reason -- despite you openly acknowledging the danger of them -- isn't now nor when there were high profile state executions of unarmed minorities nor any other time in the last decade.

Or is the idea that they're supposed to be intimidated? Because with America far closer to the brink of fascism than comparable countries with gun control, it looks like it was nothing more than yet another slice of unfit-shifting pro-gun bullshit.

[–] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you’re going to shoot them all with your cool guns if they try right?

That's the idea, and hopefully anyone else who believes in things like democracy and civil rights.

At the end of the day, ideals will only look good on our epitaph (if we're even allowed one in this scenario), might makes right, and if you also care about those sorts of things, you better damn well make sure your side's got more of it.

You’re just waiting for the perfect moment that for some reason – despite you openly acknowledging the danger of them – isn’t now nor when there were high profile state executions of unarmed minorities nor any other time in the last decade.

Because (despite the Republican's best efforts) we still nominally live in a democracy governed by the rule of law, and our institutions, while definitely damaged as of late, are still intact

A democracy will naturally have some turbulent periods, but as long as it's still actually a democracy, things are always recoverable non-violently through one of the first three boxes (soap box, ballot box, jury box). It's only once it's clear that we live in a democracy no longer that the fourth box comes out (the ammo box), and even then, the last stopgap before all out civil war would be the civilian leadership of the military and the top officers + soldiers who serve choosing a side.

Or is the idea that they’re supposed to be intimidated? Because with America far closer to the brink of fascism than comparable countries with gun control, it looks like it was nothing more than yet another slice of unfit-shifting pro-gun bullshit.

Honestly who in their right mind would be intimidated by the Democrats? Fascists don't care about peaceful protests and Rolling Stone articles, they only know violence, and we can't make the mistake of not being ready and willing to speak their language. America is clearly very politically sick, I honestly think it's incredibly silly to some how blame that solely on gun lobbying of all things.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you’re going to shoot them all with your cool guns if they try right?

That's the idea, and hopefully anyone else who believes in things like democracy and civil rights.

🤣

[–] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ultimately if you're not prepared to kill and die for your (and other's) rights, you don't have rights, you have privileges granted to you by those who are

You can laugh it up while those privileges are stripped away should your side lose the fight, but if you're willing to risk that (and in fact, seemingly push to actively weaken your side), then more power to you, I guess

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You've done nothing and you'll do nothing. You're living in the exact hero fantasy you were so offended by. Meanwhile, actual people die at the hands of the actual fascists you've enabled.

But even if we take your pinkie promise seriously, what exactly are you going to offer in return for all these deaths? "Have gun"?

You promote gun laws that don't even require gun owners to observe basic gun safety, let alone competency. How many of them would even understand orders, let alone follow them? How many of them know how to fly a drone, despite it clearly being far more useful? How many know how to give medical care in a field?

If you wanted to help people, you'd already be doing it. Instead you sit on the internet while minorities are killed and fascists gain power and tell people "Don't worry, if it gets too bad I'll shoot it".

[–] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"People who are pro-democracy being armed are enabling fascists, only the government (which as we've established is dangerously close to being controlled by fascists) should be armed, just give them a full monopoly on violence already!"

I can't tell if this is a troll account or some sort of bad attempt by a right wing plant, because surely nobody could argue this in good faith

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Off you go then, time to shoot the government. The state is executing civilians in the street, imprisoning minorities to use as slaves, funnelling billions of dollars into an oppressive war that mostly kills children and there's a fascist running for office.

I'm sure once you've been gunned down and your crush has finished sobbing over your body and your boss has given a speech about how they never truly appreciated you, America's fascists will surrender the power they have and America will become a democracy to rival... All the other democracies that don't casually arm criminals, wife beaters and suicidal children.

Until then, you're a grown man telling people your hero fantasies with all the credibility of a child saying they're in the Avengers. Being pro-democracy isn't a requirement for buying a gun and you've killed exactly zero fascists.

[–] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It'd get more done than you just perpetually bitching about it on the internet, I suppose

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Just openly stating your double standard isn't likely to be a winning strategy.

You're adamant that your guns are the solution to problems that are happening right now, but I know for a fact that all you've done is talk about them on the internet, because if you followed through on any of it you'd be on the news (and also dead).

But apparently, you're a hero anyway.

I'm adamant that gun control is the solution to problems that are happening right now. You're guessing that all I've done is talk about them on the internet, because you don't have any of the information you'd need to know for sure.

But apparently, all I'm doing is bitching.

I guess when you live in a fantasy world, you can pretend the good guys are the ones that insist they have the solution, do nothing to enact it yet still work tirelessly to block any alternatives.

Back in reality though, those people are dogshit.