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[–] GingerHobbit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

OOOoh now I understand! Just kill Hamas, it's easy! Wish we'd thought of that sooner. Wow, war must be a breeze. No innocents ever die in wars!

If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker. Bombing the places where the refugees are gathered, for example, instead of telling them to get out of harm's way.

The whole situation is fucked, and war is fucked. There are no easy answers.

[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Finally someone that gets it... People think fighting those terrorists is just like a computer game, where the objective is simple and doable. Just stroll on and kill all of the Hamas leaders, which are conveniently located in the same room. Cue the 'boss fight' music!

They don't understand how these people operate.

[–] gever4ever@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I mean they sometimes literally march civilians in front of their troops in active combat. It doesn't help that their fighters are sometimes dressed as civilians, either.

The IDF also has to guard those humanitarian corridors themselves otherwise Hamas would shoot down all those trying to evacuate.

If Israel didn't care about civilian deaths the war would be over on October 8th.

[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker

In one month and a half, Israel has killed 1 out of every 200 Gazans. For comparison, the death toll in Gaza is about 11000 civilians, while the death toll in Ukraine is 9700 (in 19 months). Isn't that quick enough to you?

Bombing the places where the refugees are gathered

instead of telling them to get out of harm’s way.

...only to bomb the people who are getting out of harm's way: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120252 https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/middleeast/israel-palestinian-evacuation-orders-invs/index.html https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker

In one month and a half, Israel has ... [many examples of less than total war]

Your examples are clearly designed to create outrage, but you haven't invalidated their point with your statistics or articles. Israel could have killed everyone in Gaza immediately were they so inclined. They are a nuclear power. They have access to many munitions and tactics they haven't used and probably will never use.

IDF has been clear that they will attack legitimate Hamas targets anywhere. Yes, even under refugee camps. Yes, even in the south.


  • Jalabia was in the evacuation zone. IDF has warned that anyone remaining will be considered potential enemy targets, and according to them there was a tunnel network with valid military targets underneath it.
  • According to your link, the only source for the attack on Al-Maghazi refugee camp is Hamas, which is not credible. It has not been verified by 3rd parties.
[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

So, we have to be grateful that Israel hasn't dropped a fucking nuke, how magnanimous! Not to mention the little detail that nuclear fallout doesn't care about borders. A nuke in Gaza would kill hundreds of thousands in Israel.

The previous comment tried to argue that Israel wasn't committing genocide because they didn't bomb refugee camps and because they evacuated the population, and I showed that both of the claims are false. The rest is you moving the goalposts.