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Israeli rightists are trying to reframe a Gaza population transfer as a 'moral act'
(www.haaretz.com)
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Outside of a UN tribunal, that's a distinction without a difference.
One is killing people, another is moving them to different place. I feel there is difference.
Not quite. According to the UN there are five genocidal acts:
It doesn't have to kill them, but to destroy a group of people (their identity) via forced relocation would be one of them.
Yes, genocide can be done together with ethnic cleansing, more over, arguably any genocide IS ethnic cleansing. However, not every ethnic cleansing is genocide. Removal of Jewish settlement from Gaza Strip when Gaza Strip was given autonomy is an example of ethnic cleansing without genocide.
You keep making this stupid argument that “not every ethic cleansing is a genocide”, which acknowledges that some are, and failing to argue why this one is not.
It did not happen yet. How can I argue one way or another?
And yet here you are, doing exactly that. You literally said calling it a genocide was incorrect.
I am arguing that what they suggest is ethnic cleansing. Whether it will be a genocide as well I do not know, but they do NOT suggest genocide.
Who doesn't?
Israeli rightists, as the topic say.
Russia was moving Ukrainian children into Russia, that's a component of genocide. German Jews were forced into ghettos, then into concentration camps. The ghettos didn't "prevent" genocide, they facilitated it.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/whats-the-difference-between-genocide-and-ethnic-cleansing
They both serve the purpose of erasing the identity of a people. The methods and means are common between the two: you destroy their homes, you force them to move, you starve them, you kill the ones who don't comply, and you leave the weak and struggling to die. The distinction you're making matters in a UN court, where Genocide has a legal definition and legal consequences, whereas Ethnic Cleansing does not. But that doesn't make ethnic cleansing some preferable alternative to genocide.
If you told a civilian in Gaza "you're not being genocided, you're being ethnically cleansed!" Do you think that would change their understanding of the situation much?