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[–] GardeningSadhu@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

anyone trying to make this very complicated seem this simple is the problem.... the truth is two groups of people hate each other and have been super shitty to each other for a long long long time. One group is going to destroy the other cause they can't get along. No one is right, no one is wrong. It's just the way that it is.... yeah, that's shitty. I didn't decide for things to be this way though.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The "two sides" argument is pretty BS.

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Any other argument is just plain wrong and negates history

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'd argue that the "two sides" argument is voiced by people who either don't know the history, or is too biased to care.

There is always two sides to any conflict, by definition. It's in of itself an intellectual cop out. But, bringing that point up when one side killing 30 children for every 1 killed, suggests the real basis is one of the two mentioned in the beginning.

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There is always two sides to any conflict, by definition

That's a great point and it is also very important here.

Really not much more to say. Reducing this conflict to the number of people killed on each side is just unreasonable and lacks both context and nuance.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Reducing this conflict to the number of people killed on each side is just unreasonable and lacks both context and nuance

... you're the one that is reducing it to "both sides". You do see that, right? Which is the whole point?

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

It's not a reduction to include historical context, motivations, etc.

If you do think that you should look up what reduction means.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It really is.

It’s a cop out because you can say that about any conflict. “They hate each other, that’s just the way it is.”

It’s also a license to continue the egregious conduct, because “it can’t be solved.”