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If Americans could read (lemmy.world)
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[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Oh IDK, maybe something like Sweden, Denmark, Norway, New Zealand, etc..... or any of THESE?

Best countries to live in 2023.

You think America is the only county in "the west"?

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.one 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think some context should be added on how hard it is to move to those countries though.

  • Sweden typically only has around 100k-150k immigrate per year.
  • Denmark had a record high immigration in 2022 of 121k people.
  • Norway typically has around 48k immigrate each year with 2023 being a big year at 53k.
  • New Zealand also had a record immigration year in 2023, 195k people which was up 220%.
  • The US has 1-3 million immigrants per year.
  • The USA has a total population of 331 million and ~50.6 million are immigrants (15% of the population).
  • Sweden has a total population of 10.4 million and ~2.15 million are immigrants (20% of the population).
  • Denmark has a total population of 5.8 million and ~650k are immigrants (11% of the population).
  • Norway has a total population of 5.4 million and ~720k are immigrants (13% of the population).
  • New Zealand has a total population of 5.1 million and ~1.4 million are immigrants (27.5% of the population).

If you're wanting to look at immigration from the USA here's how many Americans live in each of those countries.

  • Sweden - 22k
  • Denmark - 9.6k
  • Norway - 10.2k
  • New Zealand - 27.6k

Those may be some of the best places to live in the world, but there are more immigrants from other places living in the USA than the total combined population of Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and New Zealand. If they'd open up the doors I'm sure a lot of American's would love to move, but until then it seems like a case of pulling the ladder up behind them or cutting the rope bridge after crossing.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Great for people born in these countries. Now what about the rest of the world?

Winning the birth lottery isn't an achievement. Trying to make the world better - is.

And that's not to shame nordic countries for their achievement - they're doing most things right - but their challenge is so much easier compared to the U.S that it's ridiculous to compare them. Sweden doesn't need to face ISIS or Bin Laden committing terror on their territory or threatening their countries existence (although sweden's r@pe statistics say they do have a problem...)